Aftermarket VS motronic management

[prj]

Started perfectly find in -10c in England last winter, have you seen the new firmwares? cold starting is now longer an issue

-10C is nothing.
I have not seen any 2.2 on VEMS in my country start properly at -25C.
Even ranz's, who was a great guy and devoted lots of time to it (R.I.P.).

[Billman]

-10 dead easy to me too. Motronic -20 in Germany on 2 try with new injectors and stuff.

[prj]

-10 dead easy to me too. Motronic -20 in Germany on 2 try with new injectors and stuff.

New injectors?
You mean tuned motronic, yes? One where the tuner lowers the entire fuel map instead of tuning KRKTE?
Yeah, of course that won't start, because fuel map is not used on start of car and it will flood the engine with bigger injectors.

With tuned KRKTE starts from half turn of key. Mine starts perfectly -30C and down.

[Jamo]

-10C is nothing.
I have not seen any 2.2 on VEMS in my country start properly at -25C.
Even ranz's, who was a great guy and devoted lots of time to it (R.I.P.).

Well I dont live in a country that goes to -25c so it's not an issue for anyone who lives in the uk

[Jamo]

New injectors?
You mean tuned motronic, yes? One where the tuner lowers the entire fuel map instead of tuning KRKTE?
Yeah, of course that won't start, because fuel map is not used on start of car and it will flood the engine with bigger injectors.

With tuned KRKTE starts from half turn of key. Mine starts perfectly -30C and down.

Really i've seen your thread motronics cant use dekas or ev14's two of the best injectors on the market for latency, car idles on 750cc injectors better than stock ABY all that was required was a change to req_fuel nothing and a multiplication factor applied to the VE table.

[prj]

Really i've seen your thread motronics cant use dekas or ev14's two of the best injectors on the market for latency

Dekas SUCK.
But please tell me why it can't use it? Plenty of cars on 630cc dekas.

[Jamo]

Dekas SUCK.
But please tell me why it can't use it?

How do Dekas suck pray tell? not that i care i use ev14's

You tell me I've seen the yours and s2central posts stating they can't be used

[prj]

1. They can.
2. Why do you need 750cc injectors?

[Jamo]

1. They can.
2. Why do you need 750cc injectors?

why don't I, my car setup is rated to 570 bhp, whether I actually get that is another matter

[prj]

You don't need 750cc at 4 bar for 570 bhp.
So how much bhp do you get?
Could I see some graphs from your tuning?

I really dislike the mentality on here, that if you bought an adjustable ECU you are a super tuner.
Point is: no need for aftermarket ECU until 550-600hp anymore.

[prj]

Btw, it shows just how **** today's cheap aftermarket systems are when the benchmark is a 20 year old ECU...

[Jamo]

You don't need 750cc at 4 bar for 570 bhp.
So how much bhp do you get?
Could I see some graphs from your tuning?

I really dislike the mentality on here, that if you bought an adjustable ECU you are a super tuner.
Point is: no need for aftermarket ECU until 550-600hp anymore.

My car was tuned by Repo actually and i'm not running at 4 bar fuel pressure

Your menatility is what puts me of OEM tuner as you seem to have a supremist attitude because you've spent sometime developing it.

aftermarket ecus have a community and it's so easy to get information and help

[prj]

I don't care what I tune.
OEM or aftermarket. I like things going fast, end of story.

I also believe in tools that get the job done.
Motronic is enough to get the job done to 550-600hp. That's all I am saying and no amount of your bickering will change that.
The average customer doesn't give a damn about tuning his car, he wants it to make reliable power, and that's it.

P.S.
OEM tuners also have a community where they help each other.
Just you need to show that you are not a freeloader.

[Jamo]

Reliable power we can both agree on that, reliable tuning is another matter, I asked for examples of your tuning in the other thread and you pointed my to 2.7 biturbo dynos!

When you have this up and running and have dyno plots for backup I will conceed that your method is viable but until then sorry i'm a sceptic due to lack of evidence.

It's whether other people want to pay for this product now, whilst doing motronics only s2central and Mihnea have proven products which utilised the ecu to the potential of the customers cars.

Others such as Automark and chipwizards have failed to impress me with their results

[prj]

If you believe that I need to prove anything to anyone, then you are grossly mistaken.