Aftermarket VS motronic management

[dest]

Btw, we have a saying in Russia.

"Seven are not afraid of one".

We have one in England too.

"Put your money where your mouth is"

[prj]

We have one in England too.

"Put your money where your mouth is"

Aha.
So what have you accomplished besides dissing me?

I think there is enough "money" posted on the forum already.

[S2central.net]

This thread is going nowhere fast. All I can say is each to their own... if you want to tune on motronic - you can but nobody will hand it to you on a plate. Some hundreds of pounds/dollars/euros will get you the tools to start, but it needs a lot of time and effort with scarce skills in reverse engineering to make any serious progress. Hence - the aftermarket boxes serve the market for those that want to tinker in a somewhat supported environment.

I cannot imagine anyone ever building a DIY package for I5T tuning on Motronic - even though it is technically possible - the market is so small - and the support burden is immense to look after it... Then users need to be somewhat capable tuners in the first place. Giving some wannabe motronic owhizzkids hundreds of ECU variables to play with is potentially disastrous - on any ECU.

[dest]

Aha.
So what have you accomplished besides dissing me?

I think there is enough "money" posted on the forum already.

Well, you're the one making huge claims, so lets see some of the results

[prj]

Well, you're the one making huge claims, so lets see some of the results

Which "huge" claims then? Enlighten me.

[dest]

It would be nice to see some facts and real world figures from everything you go on about.
Another english saying... dont talk the talk if you cant walk the walk

[prj]

It would be nice to see some facts and real world figures from everything you go on about.
Another english saying... dont talk the talk if you cant walk the walk

So what exactly do you want figures from?

I know one figure - your **** talking skills are OVER 9000.

[dest]

Im not the one coming on here rubbishing every one else and claiming I am the expert.
One last saying for the night lol

A little knowledge is dangerous

[A80Avant]

you dont do tuning for a living, but you do get money to tune other people's cars. dont you? So it is still 'a living'. Very proper and acceptable, but you have to accept that the moment you accept money for a service, it provides a living, even as a side to your day job.

[prj]

Im not the one coming on here rubbishing every one else and claiming I am the expert.
One last saying for the night lol

A little knowledge is dangerous

So basically you have nothing to say, just what I wanted to know, thanks.

you dont do tuning for a living, but you do get money to tune other people's cars. dont you? So it is still 'a living'. Very proper and acceptable, but you have to accept that the moment you accept money for a service, it provides a living, even as a side to your day job.

If you think I am doing M2.3.2 for the money, you are really mistaken.
There is no money to be had in it. It is not financially profitable.
If I did not buy this car and I did not ever learn Motronic I would have about ten times the spare cash I have now. Just as a figure.

This is why there are no developments for this ECU since a very long time.
And the fact that you guys will diss anyone who dares to do something different, does put off a lot of people as well.
Do not underestimate people you don't know. There is always someone who is much smarter than me or you somewhere. Approaching everything with the assumption that there is nothing new to be found is wrong.

[martinjs]

Yawn...bring back 2003 and the early days of this forum...all is forgiven.

[A80Avant]

i am not saying you are going to make a big business out of it Dmitri, but still you charge for it. Paul doesnt do it as his day job either but charges for it.The minute you do, its a form of business, and i am not against it.

I put a VEMS ECU on a friend's RS2 and tuned it, for free. There is a difference, and i would do the same for anyone who asked me to do it, where i thought i have the possibilty to do it.

[A80Avant]

is this the fastest growing thread or what??? hahaha

[prj]

I put a VEMS ECU on a friend's RS2 and tuned it, for free. There is a difference, and i would do the same for anyone who asked me to do it, where i thought i have the possibilty to do it.

Yes, because there is zero investment for you.
Every time I tune a car I attach 700$+ worth of equipment to it, and I use software which I developed on long weekend nights.

You use ready made tools.
Also, I tune my friends cars for free. Always have.

[S2central.net]

is this the fastest growing thread or what??? hahaha

Maybe so... but also the least valuable thread as well unfort.