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  • lakeone92
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    • Nov 2009
    • 23
    • Country: Spain

    #1

    Vems Vs Megasquirt pros and cons

    Hi guys
    Looking for an engine management system alternative for my car (s2 3b)
    I'm pretty new in terms of electronics but I have plenty of time to try things and eager to learn, first look for something that is P & P is that you start easily or not cost much.
    I've seen these two options between which there is a big price difference.
    The first is known Vems great forum. http://shop.vems.hu/catalog/vems-motronic55-p-122.html

    The second MS is very popular on other sites but this seems stranger than it costs half http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/d...kit-p-385.html

    Are equal to the Vems, and MS? to the naked eye are the two 55-pin Motronic and appear to be suitable for our engines. which you recommend me in terms of simplicity of use and ease of assembly?

    That would need to start my car with one system or another?

    A greeting and thanks
    1992 Audi s2 3b
    2000 Clio sport 172
  • prj
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    • Mar 2010
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    • Country: Estonia

    #2
    Don't think Microsquirt will work... unless you keep the distributor, but that'd be defeating the purpose.
    If you want a true plug and play setup, then get the PnP version of VEMS.

    And please define what means "will not cost much"?
    A programmable ECU will cost much, it is normal. Besides installing it, you need to tune it (or get it tuned) as well.
    So it will cost lots of time and/or money.

    Then again, if you need the programmable ECU, chances are your car has already a very powerful setup, and in that case the costs of tuning and installation (~1500 EUR) might be "not much" for you.

    Could you tell us more about the car where you want to use this control unit?
    http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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    • varia
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      • Mar 2009
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      #3
      Any way i look at it, 1500 EUR (~$2200) is a lot of money.
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      • Rocco
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        • Aug 2007
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        #4
        Lakeone is looking for something between 400/800€ ...for tune everything himself

        Vems seems to be the cheapest solution maybe

        and be careful,because tune it by yourself it is not easy as you think
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        • prj
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          • Mar 2010
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          #5
          Originally posted by Rocco
          and be careful,because tune it by yourself it is not easy as you think
          +100

          Regardless of engine management, you need to understand very well how a FI engine works if you want to tune it yourself.
          A standalone ECU is a great way to learn - of course the question is, is it worth risking damage to your expensive engine?
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          • lakeone92
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            • Nov 2009
            • 23
            • Country: Spain

            #6
            Originally posted by prj
            Don't think Microsquirt will work... unless you keep the distributor, but that'd be defeating the purpose.
            If you want a true plug and play setup, then get the PnP version of VEMS.

            And please define what means "will not cost much"?
            A programmable ECU will cost much, it is normal. Besides installing it, you need to tune it (or get it tuned) as well.
            So it will cost lots of time and/or money.

            Then again, if you need the programmable ECU, chances are your car has already a very powerful setup, and in that case the costs of tuning and installation (~1500 EUR) might be "not much" for you.

            Could you tell us more about the car where you want to use this control unit?
            Because it would be counterproductive to keep the distributor? I could not get out of the hall sensor signal and make ignition coils?

            What I seek is essentially the "plug"and start without much difficulty.

            From us about what the "Will Not cost much" I mean that I would not like that cost me much money, have much time.

            My car is a s2 3b and this stock, I want the programmable ECU to take advantage of the mechanics of series to 100% and to get the most out of every little mod that will make the car to end up having a big machine made and programmed by myself.

            1500€ is a lot of money for me right now I can not assume that spending (I'ma student)


            Originally posted by varia
            Any way i look at it, 1500 EUR (~$2200) is a lot of money.
            1500€ I see it very expensive, I guess that can be done cheaper using more time and I have much time

            Originally posted by Rocco
            Lakeone is looking for something between 400/800€ ...for tune everything himself

            Vems seems to be the cheapest solution maybe

            and be careful,because tune it by yourself it is not easy as you think
            I told you what he wanted, which is almost plug & play and cheap, I do not mind being a long time adjusting because I like the track and I have a desire to learn we walk in plenty of time I can use it

            Originally posted by prj
            +100

            Regardless of engine management, you need to understand very well how a FI engine works if you want to tune it yourself.
            A standalone ECU is a great way to learn - of course the question is, is it worth risking damage to your expensive engine?
            I'd do it all slowly learning, because most low and well worth that much and bad.
            I like to learn and eventually know how to handle a 100% programmable ecu and I think if I do it with some means such as wideband, EGT, careful not do crazy things with a sense not run a high risk



            Greetings to all and thank you very much
            1992 Audi s2 3b
            2000 Clio sport 172

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            • prj
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              • Mar 2010
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              #7
              The only plug and play solution would be VEMS, which costs about 950 EUR, this is not counting tuning.
              On a stock car for 950 EUR you can do a lot more - get it chipped for example...

              If your objective is to learn how to tune cars for cheap, get some old car with a carburettor and a book. Play with ignition advance, AFR, etc..
              Or if you have a lot of time, you could always get an Ostrich 2.0 emulator for 175$ and start playing with Motronic. There is enough info out there to find fuel/ignition maps and limiters...
              http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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              • lakeone92
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                • Nov 2009
                • 23
                • Country: Spain

                #8
                Originally posted by prj
                The only plug and play solution would be VEMS, which costs about 950 EUR, this is not counting tuning.
                On a stock car for 950 EUR you can do a lot more - get it chipped for example...

                If your objective is to learn how to tune cars for cheap, get some old car with a carburettor and a book. Play with ignition advance, AFR, etc..
                Or if you have a lot of time, you could always get an Ostrich 2.0 emulator for 175$ and start playing with Motronic. There is enough info out there to find fuel/ignition maps and limiters...
                950 eur is an affordable cost for me expensive but I guess I think it will be worth spending the money 950euros although many things can make my stock car, turbo injectors etc, I prefer expended in a programmable ecu and go slowly learning and in the future to make my maps for my mods poprios.

                It is very difficult to me with warranties chipped in Spain, I do it myself, since I have a long long time and go slowly learning.

                I like the idea of ​​ostrich 2.0 Tell me more about this option please, but I would like to control fuel, ignition, turbo pressure etc etc could do with ostrich 2.0?

                a greeting and thanks
                Last edited by lakeone92; 10 May 2011, 07:34.
                1992 Audi s2 3b
                2000 Clio sport 172

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                • th.b.w.
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                  • Nov 2006
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                  #9
                  Hi,

                  I'm running VEMS since two years and i can say that it isn't easy to tune by yourself!
                  I spend a Lot of time, but when i was at PKM i can see that this
                  man understand his job!

                  When you will cheep tuning than let your Motronic work, don't think
                  an VEMS or MgSq are cheep!
                  The only cheep thing is the ECU !!!

                  Thomas

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                  • lakeone92
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                    • Nov 2009
                    • 23
                    • Country: Spain

                    #10
                    Originally posted by th.b.w.
                    Hi,

                    I'm running VEMS since two years and i can say that it isn't easy to tune by yourself!
                    I spend a Lot of time, but when i was at PKM i can see that this
                    man understand his job!

                    When you will cheep tuning than let your Motronic work, don't think
                    an VEMS or MgSq are cheep!
                    The only cheep thing is the ECU !!!

                    Thomas
                    The main thing I want is to be not very expensive, approximately 950eur maximum. I have the stock unit to move while learning to drive the programmable ecu and I would like to learn to do, I want something to start easy and get better myself and learn little by little, time does not matter to me (I'ma student) and I really like the subject, I have also wanted to learn. I just ask something that is not too difficult to start, from there I would do it little by little.

                    Thanks
                    Gonzalo
                    1992 Audi s2 3b
                    2000 Clio sport 172

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                    • prj
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                      • Mar 2010
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                      #11
                      You should start with this:


                      This would do you good as well:


                      Before you start playing with your engine it is a good idea to read a few books.
                      These are two decent books that will show you the basics...
                      http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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                      • Rocco
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                        • Aug 2007
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                        #12
                        Gonzalo,you have to start firstly your car
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                        • lakeone92
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                          • Nov 2009
                          • 23
                          • Country: Spain

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Rocco
                          Gonzalo,you have to start firstly your car
                          my car is "finished" and walks, runs and others but is an S2, do not expect no problems
                          1992 Audi s2 3b
                          2000 Clio sport 172

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                          • prj
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                            • Mar 2010
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                            #14
                            As I said - if you have no experience calibrating an engine, you should start with *learning* and then applying that learned theory into practice.
                            It's pretty easy to blow things up when you do not have any safeguards.

                            Originally posted by th.b.w.
                            The only cheep thing is the ECU !!!
                            Take very good note of what this man said.
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                            • lakeone92
                              S2Forum Hobbyist
                              • Nov 2009
                              • 23
                              • Country: Spain

                              #15
                              Originally posted by prj
                              You should start with this:


                              This would do you good as well:

                              Before you start playing with your engine it is a good idea to read a few books.
                              These are two decent books that will show you the basics...
                              Very interesting! any recommendations more about books? Especially one that addresses the 2.2 turbo audi or similar?

                              Originally posted by prj
                              As I said - if you have no experience calibrating an engine, you should start with *learning* and then applying that learned theory into practice.
                              It's pretty easy to blow things up when you do not have any safeguards.


                              Take very good note of what this man said.
                              I would like to apply the theory gradually practice, start with something simple like ostrich 2.0 I do not know if you can use in our ecu chip to carry two "turbo" and "gas. "
                              Doing so consistently and quietly without working beyond my means need not pose a risk, I do not want a drag car in the car not the day.

                              I know that the only thing cheap is the unit but keeping it and would have a base and go about doing things little by little, I think as a long term project slowly with small upgrades each time

                              Greetings guys
                              1992 Audi s2 3b
                              2000 Clio sport 172

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