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  • Error404
    Super Moderator
    • Mar 2007
    • 19789
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #31
    Here are some crappy phone pics I just took of my 996 calieprs and 314mm brembo dics.
    The annulus of the disc is about 60mm, it looks like you could loose 10mm off the inner edge of the pad?





    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
    Indigo ABY coupé
    Imola B6 S4 Avant

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    • twoqu
      S2Forum Possessed
      • Sep 2003
      • 3103

      #32
      In simplified form, I think Stu has hit the nail on the head: Just fit the biggest you can under the wheels you have!
      It does look like DBA make a two piece disc for the A8. Doubt whether its cheap, but might be worth enquiring. Another rule is don't make what already exists!

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      • Error404
        Super Moderator
        • Mar 2007
        • 19789
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #33
        Originally posted by s2_wot
        Gents, just throwing these into the mix for you to consider.

        http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/BMW-E38-7-...item519f0ffa65

        28mm disc, 40 & 44 mm pistons, 50mm high pad and they are cheap. Trailing orientation so no swapping pipes around etc. I can send or post a bracket sketch if you know the disc diameter.

        great info dude!
        Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
        Indigo ABY coupé
        Imola B6 S4 Avant

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        • 4WheelDrifter
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Oct 2004
          • 5773
          • Country: Devon

          #34
          Originally posted by Error404
          Here are some crappy phone pics I just took of my 996 calieprs and 314mm brembo dics.
          The annulus of the disc is about 60mm, it looks like you could loose 10mm off the inner edge of the pad?





          So you could. Although you would lose a good chunk of pad area. Maybe not a problem if you're only carrying around a 7A, but I wouldn't want to with an I5T.
          I also wouldn't fancy taking to the Bridgeport every time I wanted to change pads, which would also be more frequent with less pad area.
          SS

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          • twoqu
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Sep 2003
            • 3103

            #35
            To be honest if you want affordability, availability and durability use all OE components. If you want less unsprung weight, go for all aftermarket components. There would be a substantial weight saving and as its all engineered to work together, no compatability problems. After all we are talking about brakes here!
            As a case in point, those Alcon discs are I believe very hard to source and expensive. Even with AP stuff, you will be paying over ÂŁ200 a replacement disc.

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            • Error404
              Super Moderator
              • Mar 2007
              • 19789
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #36
              its looking that way, I wanted the best of both world, just would be nice to have a setup for track that was quick & easy to swap so as not to trash the everyday kit, can't have it all I guess.
              Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
              Indigo ABY coupé
              Imola B6 S4 Avant

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              • europeanme
                S2Forum Possessed
                • Oct 2005
                • 3817
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #37
                Originally posted by twoqu
                paying over ÂŁ200 a replacement disc.
                @4wheeldrifter....ÂŁ200 replacement disc eh Stu, if only!!!... :mischeif:

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                • 4WheelDrifter
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Oct 2004
                  • 5773
                  • Country: Devon

                  #38
                  Originally posted by europeanme
                  @4wheeldrifter....ÂŁ200 replacement disc eh Stu, if only!!!... :mischeif:
                  ÂŁ200 a disk? Yeah. If only, eh? I would be happy with a set of pads for that.

                  I thought about having a summer brake setup, then a winter set that I could squeeze under the 17"s, but decided to try to do one set that did both. It has not been easy, or cheap.
                  SS

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                  • twoqu
                    S2Forum Possessed
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 3103

                    #39
                    Unfortunately stopping quickly costs as much as going quickly!

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                    • twoqu
                      S2Forum Possessed
                      • Sep 2003
                      • 3103

                      #40
                      Oh by the way, those BMW calipers use a much smaller pad than the Porsche caliper and they are lug mounted. The pads are the same size as the Seat Leon Cupra R.

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                      • Jonnybravo
                        S2Forum Fiend
                        • Aug 2008
                        • 2051
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #41
                        If your looking to do a 330mm conversion I would ditch the Brembos and maybe look at these :

                        http://www.compbrake.com/brake-kits/...iper-pair.html

                        Before anyone gets worried that IS a AP caliper, were currently designing a 330mm kit for another german vehicle using these after some good reports from other users.

                        Disc wise the Powervane rotors are ok but there are quite a lot of options out there, obviously a pair of 330 x 28 AP rotors are something like ÂŁ500 rrp so it depends what your budget is, I use 330 x 36mm floating rotors but I'm probably going to get the calipers machined and drop back to a 32mm as their more common and affordable.

                        As mentioned though brakes are expensive but they transform a car

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                        • G60Rallye
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Dec 2006
                          • 1321
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #42
                          Its not too hard to machine your own bells from a set of universal bells from a company like Hi Spec. I got mine done this way, they machined them with a 15mm offset. I then machined the centre and the bolt holes. They are 7mm thick. 10mm in my opinion is way overkill!

                          If you are using a disc around 330mm you want to get bells with a 203 pcd. That covers a large range of AP discs around that size so you could drop down to smaller discs to go under 16" wheels if you wanted.

                          As for the pads being large on the porsche calipers a grinder flap wheel fast sorts that. You only need to do the one side, the back can over hang.

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                          • s2_wot
                            S2Forum Fiend
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 2178

                            #43
                            Originally posted by twoqu
                            Oh by the way, those BMW calipers use a much smaller pad than the Porsche caliper and they are lug mounted. The pads are the same size as the Seat Leon Cupra R.
                            They are relatively easy to mount once the disc diameter is over 300mm .

                            Reducing the size of the pad isn't a bad thing, it doesn't change the brake performance but will shorten the interval between pad changes.

                            I don't have the cupra R on my list but I do have:
                            honda integra dc5,
                            BMW E38,
                            BMW E65,
                            BMW E31,
                            Ferrari F550,
                            Fiat Coupe,
                            Maserati 3200GT,
                            Nissan Skyline R33 GTR/ R34.

                            Pagid Part Number T5091
                            CL Part Number 4061
                            Ferodo Part Number FDS 998
                            Mintex Part Number MDB 1752
                            Brembo Part Number 07.8301.66
                            Shane

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                            • 4WheelDrifter
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Oct 2004
                              • 5773
                              • Country: Devon

                              #44
                              Originally posted by G60Rallye
                              Its not too hard to machine your own bells from a set of universal bells from a company like Hi Spec. I got mine done this way, they machined them with a 15mm offset. I then machined the centre and the bolt holes. They are 7mm thick. 10mm in my opinion is way overkill!

                              If you are using a disc around 330mm you want to get bells with a 203 pcd. That covers a large range of AP discs around that size so you could drop down to smaller discs to go under 16" wheels if you wanted.

                              As for the pads being large on the porsche calipers a grinder flap wheel fast sorts that. You only need to do the one side, the back can over hang.
                              If you are grinding the pads back because of a small annulus, then you will probably have to watch the clearance between the pad back-plate and the bell-rotor fasteners.
                              So you would effectively only be able to use the pad until you have the depth of the bells plus bolt heads left, giving you only a few mm of pad use. That could get expensive in the long run, not to mention tedious having to change pads regularly.
                              But you are right, pad material does not take much effort to remove.

                              Also reducing the pad contact and frictional area is not really ideal. It's all about friction and heat transfer.

                              I've weighed up a lot of options before ending up with the brakes I have. I have also made up a few plywood/chipboard mock disks and rotors along the way, to assess what will fit and what will not.
                              I've looked through many options in the Alcon, AP Racing and Brembo catalogues, and to use a Brembo caliper with a two piece bell and rotor you really need a Brembo disk.

                              I can however recommend the AP Racing CP5200 caliper shown above. I have a pair of those that have done many years of miles and service, with the only fault being the squeals when combined with Ferodo DS2500s and brake dust.
                              I have also found a advantage to calipers being bolted together, rather than being monoblocks.
                              SS

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                              • andy10v
                                S2Forum Zealot
                                • Mar 2009
                                • 5996
                                • Country: Scotland

                                #45
                                Originally posted by 4WheelDrifter
                                I have also found a advantage to calipers being bolted together, rather than being monoblocks.
                                What is that?
                                Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

                                Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
                                Sold ABY-stock

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