sounds like antilag at WOT

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  • WabTheKing
    S2Forum Fiend
    • May 2004
    • 2567
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    sounds like antilag at WOT

    car has developed a problem

    drives fine normally

    sink your foot into the carpet at at bout 4000rpm coughs and back fires and sounds like anti lag, sound good but not ideal.

    suspect fuel pump?

    cheers
    will
  • aby1
    S2Forum Hobbyist
    • Nov 2005
    • 17

    #2
    Air flow meter ?

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    • dkw_dude
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Jul 2003
      • 555
      • Country: Norway

      #3
      Originally posted by WabTheKing
      car has developed a problem

      drives fine normally

      sink your foot into the carpet at at bout 4000rpm coughs and back fires and sounds like anti lag, sound good but not ideal.

      suspect fuel pump?

      cheers
      will
      I have the same problem, exact same symptoms at WOT. It happened after I cleaned my injectors a while ago (at BOSCH dealer) and I havent been able to cure it.

      Pressure tested ok, swapped MAF with another one which is supposed to be good, still the same. When lifting off the throttle a bit it pulls cleanly again.

      Would be nice to get any input on this!!

      Cheers Leif-Helge
      Leif-Helge
      -91 S2 VEMS and Comp Turbo
      -12 B** 530XD Touring "S2 parts transporter, and daily driver"

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      • quattronutter
        S2Forum Maniac
        • Jan 2005
        • 690
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #4
        dont overlook things like ht leads and coilpacks,worth changing your plugs too if they are not fresh ones...

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        • WabTheKing
          S2Forum Fiend
          • May 2004
          • 2567
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          car has stopped starting now, gonna change my fuel pump

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          • AAH!
            S2Forum Addict
            • Jun 2004
            • 497
            • Home: United Kingdom Current: Bhutan

            #6
            The fault you describe sounds very similar to one I had. I pulled the blink codes which pointed me towards a knock sensor. The ECU in a ABY/ADU can retard the boost if the knock sensor detects knocking or if the knock sensor is faulty. My problem was a poorly soldered terminal in the knock sensor connector. Repairing the connector sorted it.

            Originally posted by quattronutter
            dont overlook things like ht leads and coilpacks,worth changing your plugs too if they are not fresh ones...

            If you go down the coilpack replacement route, as well as the above check the power output stages (POS) aka power amplifiers. These are the things that the coilpack leads plug into. In my case I had a non-firing cylinder that was not fixed by replaceing the coilpacks which ended up being a failed POS channel. This was fixed by rewiring the connectors and using the spare channel on the POS.

            Also cleaning injectors can slightly reduce fuel flow.

            HTH

            Angus
            formally RS2 +

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            • WabTheKing
              S2Forum Fiend
              • May 2004
              • 2567
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              mine is a 3b

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              • AAH!
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                • Jun 2004
                • 497
                • Home: United Kingdom Current: Bhutan

                #8
                Oh. In that case probably best to ignore, although IIRC the knock sensor on the 3B retards the ignition, I don't know but may be worth checking.
                formally RS2 +

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                • dkw_dude
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 555
                  • Country: Norway

                  #9
                  Originally posted by AAH!
                  The fault you describe sounds very similar to one I had. I pulled the blink codes which pointed me towards a knock sensor. The ECU in a ABY/ADU can retard the boost if the knock sensor detects knocking or if the knock sensor is faulty. My problem was a poorly soldered terminal in the knock sensor connector. Repairing the connector sorted it.
                  I recently changed both my knock sensors, one of them was looking really bad, see pic. But I didn't know that it could cause this kind of behaviour?
                  I had a look at the connectors, some of the insulation on one of the wires was missing, and the plastic inside the connector which separates the pins was broken. No visible short circuit though.

                  Originally posted by AAH!
                  If you go down the coilpack replacement route, as well as the above check the power output stages (POS) aka power amplifiers. These are the things that the coilpack leads plug into. In my case I had a non-firing cylinder that was not fixed by replaceing the coilpacks which ended up being a failed POS channel. This was fixed by rewiring the connectors and using the spare channel on the POS.

                  Also cleaning injectors can slightly reduce fuel flow.
                  I have a 3B, could these symptoms be connected to the ignition amplifyer/coil? Or will it be more of a full stop situation as this single unit feeds sparks to all cylinders?

                  Reduced fuel flow, hmm maybe I should test with a set of "uncleaned" set of injectors and see if it's back to normal..
                  Leif-Helge
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                  -12 B** 530XD Touring "S2 parts transporter, and daily driver"

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                  • WabTheKing
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                    • May 2004
                    • 2567
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    car starting again now after fuel pump relay change

                    BRY clear 4 fault codes yesterday

                    gonna see what it does later

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                    • S2central.net
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                      • Jul 2003
                      • 16590
                      • Country: Northern Ireland

                      #11
                      Was the old relay preventing sufficient voltage from getting to the fuel pump - did you take any measurements before and after ?
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                      • WabTheKing
                        S2Forum Fiend
                        • May 2004
                        • 2567
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        car cured now after reley change

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                        • dkw_dude
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 555
                          • Country: Norway

                          #13
                          My car is ~ok again..

                          Measured fuel pressure under load, fuel pressure rose(?) parallell with manifold pressure ->ok

                          Installed new dizzy! (old one leaked oil internally)
                          Smoother running and stronger from lov revs, a lot of hesitation gone () but still cutoff.

                          Changed MAF, symtoms did not change.

                          Changed plugs from Bosch FR5DP (I know, not original but bought from a well known Norwegian tuner. Don't know replacement interval on them) to the old original Bosch plugs. And no cutoff since.

                          But still holding back a little @ high boost, I'm beginning to think that it is running lean and then the knock sensors retards the ignition. Maybe get me a WB lambda kit and check..
                          Cheers Leif-Helge
                          Leif-Helge
                          -91 S2 VEMS and Comp Turbo
                          -12 B** 530XD Touring "S2 parts transporter, and daily driver"

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                          • WabTheKing
                            S2Forum Fiend
                            • May 2004
                            • 2567
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            my hesitation has reared its head again, changed fuel pump - no differance
                            not a consistant problem as it sometimes goes away?

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                            • topsparky
                              S2Forum Fiend
                              • Oct 2005
                              • 2014
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              Originally posted by WabTheKing
                              my hesitation has reared its head again, changed fuel pump - no differance
                              not a consistant problem as it sometimes goes away?
                              could it be because you've still got ya wellys on from sheep shaggng in glossop
                              1. SHORT SHIFT KIT
                              2. PORSCHE CAYENNE CALIPERS
                              3. H & R SPRINGS
                              4. BILSTEIN SHOXS
                              5. NEW BUSHES AND HP2 STRUTS
                              6. UPRATED HIGH OUTPUT COIL PACK
                              7. ,3" turbo back s/s/ exhaust
                              8. fmic fitted

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