Where does a 92.8mm stoke 5cyl crank come from?

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  • mbcouple
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • Sep 2003
    • 78

    #1

    Where does a 92.8mm stoke 5cyl crank come from?

    I am looking for a 92.8mm stroke 5 cylinder crank. I can not find one offered in the united states, but know there are several uk firms that offer this item. Is this a factory crank, or a modified/custom piece? If it is factory, does anyone know what its from? I was guessing a vanagon or eurovan, but it looks like they run the 95mm stroke with 144mm conrods. You have to love how they desinged all their motors to use piston and rod designs they already had.
    Thanks
    Hans
  • Lee
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jul 2003
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    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    I don't know of a 92.8 stroke stock 5 cyl crank. Then again, I am not familiar woth all flavours that were offered from the factory. I recently priced up a custom steel crank but the cost can be very prohibitive unless you can get 5 or 10 like minded souls and then there are some major cost savings possible. Even with discount, a decent steel crank will still run into a few thousand pounds per item. Good for 10k rpm though and SERIOUS torque even at high revs. Maybe not what you are after!!
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    • Lee
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Jul 2003
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      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Re: Where does a 92.8mm stoke 5cyl crank come from?

      Originally posted by mbcouple
      You have to love how they desinged all their motors to use piston and rod designs they already had.
      This is called common sense if you are into maximising profits; even if you are manufacturing high volumes. Since you have to amortise your [high] one-off tooling and development costs over your entire production run, the more identical units you can produce, the smaller the portion of non-recurring engineering charges you apply to each unit. This is achieved my maximising commonality across as many units as you can, hence maximising profit.
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      • mbcouple
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        • Sep 2003
        • 78

        #4
        The reason i ask, is that eurospec here in the states used to sell a stroker kit with the 92.8 stroke, like the 4 banger motors. above the stroker description it said

        "These kits include:
        -forged Factory crankshaft
        -Eurospec 4340 connecting rods
        -forged pistons"

        Which lead me to believe that there may be some bizzare 5 banger with the crank i want. Apart from the crank apearing on eurospecs crank page, I found this Link while researching. It seems as though this UK firm has used this stroke for 20v purposes.

        Any more leads would be great.
        Thanks
        Hans
        Last edited by mbcouple; 19 January 2004, 20:15.

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        • Lee
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          • Jul 2003
          • 1512
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          A quick search has yielded a few 92.8mm cranks: 3A, 9A and ABA. These are all 4 cylinder 2.0 litre VW engines. I'll keep searching for it in 5 cylinder quise because I am curious now. Actually, the 3A is a 2.0, 8v engine from the Audi 4000 and some late '80s Audi 80 models.
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          • s2avant
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Jul 2003
            • 2426

            #6
            I take it you were looking at part number 034 105 101 J about half way down the page.

            It's described as a Forged 92.8mm 5 cyl 2.5 crank, but the part number does not appear on the latest version of ETKA. If I have time at work I'll see what I can find out about that number for you.

            Ben
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            • mbcouple
              S2Forum Fanatic
              • Sep 2003
              • 78

              #7
              I found that too. It seems to be a very popular stroke length. It seems possible that there could be some bizzare version of a vanagon, or eurovan, based on that stroke. Seeing the sucess of the 4 bangers with these specs, (82.5 bore, 92.8 stroke) I think it could be a very viable source for 20v power.
              Hans

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              • Lee
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Jul 2003
                • 1512
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                I have just found a 92.8 crank used in a 2.5 litre 10 valve engine. Was this a factory capacity for the petrol engine I wonder?!? Could have been a stroker though.
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                • Lee
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                  • Jul 2003
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                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Whilst the search is on...what about the 82.5mm block? What is that from? Is it a bored out 81mm block? This sounds nice with stock crank geometry for a high revving larger capacity motor.
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                  • mbcouple
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                    • Sep 2003
                    • 78

                    #10
                    Is the crank for sale?
                    Hans

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                    • Lee
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                      • Jul 2003
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                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Originally posted by mbcouple
                      Is the crank for sale?
                      Hans
                      If you mean the one that I noticed on the Web in a 10 valve, no. It was part of an engine but it was cagey on details. Lost the link now so will look again for you if I can remember the search combo...I tried loads! Martyn or Paul from VAGparts can price one if there's a part number!
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                      • Vagsport
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 533
                        • Country: United States

                        #12
                        82.5mm block (bore) is standard 2,309cc.

                        NG = Coupe / Cabrio / 80 (B4) / 90
                        NF = I00 / 200
                        7A = Coupe / 90

                        All are factory overbore of stock 2,226cc, stroke is unchanged @ 86.4.

                        Siena

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                        • Vagsport
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 533
                          • Country: United States

                          #13
                          Going to 2,309cc won't increase power. I used a 7A block a couple of years ago, power was similar to stock S2 3B, torque was similar also, just approx. 200 RPM lower down.

                          Siena

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                          • Lee
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 1512
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Cheers mate. Need to get me calculator out for working out 92.8 stroke with 82.5 bore.
                            Last edited by Lee; 19 January 2004, 23:56.
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                            • Lee
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 1512
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                              #15
                              I make that 2480cc. Interesting. How much torque can it take, I wonder.
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