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  • Faheemo
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    • Feb 2005
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    #16
    Gr8 now we have 3 different sets of data for the 7a cams.
    Can anyone confirm which data is correct ?

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    • Flat on my back
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      • Jan 2007
      • 2449
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
      At the moment...

      This was the actual measuered data on the 7a cam

      Inlet:
      Opens 6° AFTER(not before) TDC, closes 38° ABDC, duration 212°, lift 9,6mm.

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      • Audi_CQ
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        • Mar 2004
        • 940
        • Country: Norway

        #18
        Originally posted by Faheemo
        Gr8 now we have 3 different sets of data for the 7a cams.
        Can anyone confirm which data is correct ?
        I've measured two sets of cams and they both gave same data as posted earlier:

        Inlet:
        Opens 6° AFTER(not before) TDC, closes 38° ABDC, duration 212°, lift 9,6mm.
        Ex.
        Opens 42° BBDC, closes 3° BTDC, duration 219°, lift 10,3mm

        Myth busted

        Cheers,
        Roger

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        • Faheemo
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Feb 2005
          • 544
          • Country: South Africa

          #19
          Originally posted by Audi_CQ
          I've measured two sets of cams and they both gave same data as posted earlier:

          Inlet:
          Opens 6° AFTER(not before) TDC, closes 38° ABDC, duration 212°, lift 9,6mm.
          Ex.
          Opens 42° BBDC, closes 3° BTDC, duration 219°, lift 10,3mm

          Myth busted

          Cheers,
          Roger
          How do you measure the cams ?

          The new data means that thers no overlap in the 7a cams.
          also the duration is less than what was originally thought b4.
          can the inlet cam now be advanced say 6 deg ( with individual cam sprockets ) will this improve low speed torque ? (still no overlap)

          Or alternatively what would be the best settings with indivdual adjustable cam sprockets to :
          1. maximise hi speed power
          2. Maximize low speed torque.
          (not related together)

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          10.9 1/4mile 0-100 in 3.5secs
          Precision 6262 turbo
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          • Albert
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Aug 2003
            • 1500
            • Country: Poland

            #20
            Faheemo if you want to maximise aceleration than you have to maximise hi rev torque
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            • Faheemo
              S2Forum Maniac
              • Feb 2005
              • 544
              • Country: South Africa

              #21
              Originally posted by Albert
              Faheemo if you want to maximise aceleration than you have to maximise hi rev torque
              Understood - What do i need to do WRT advancing or retarding the 7a cams to maximise the acceleration. ( I have adjustable cam sprockets)

              Inlet cam data as we now know is :
              AAN, ABY, 3B___ Opens 3° ATDC, closes 25° ABDC, duration 202°, lift 8,3mm
              ADU___________ Opens 13° ATDC, closes 35° ABDC, duration 202°, lift 8,3mm?
              Opens 6° AFTER ATDC, closes 38° ABDC, duration 212°, lift 9,6mm.

              All this cam data is confusing me, as i understand it-
              ADU Inlet cams are 10deg retarded to give less lag WRT aby,3b cam
              7a cam gives more lag due to longer duration higher lift but is retarded 3 deg compared to ABy, 3b ,AAN. ?

              can i advance 7a cam to give more hi speed torque.
              similarly what can be done to Ex cam to maximise acceleration ?
              Not worried about lag.

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              10.9 1/4mile 0-100 in 3.5secs
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              • Audi_CQ
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Mar 2004
                • 940
                • Country: Norway

                #22
                Originally posted by Faheemo
                How do you measure the cams ?

                The new data means that thers no overlap in the 7a cams.
                also the duration is less than what was originally thought b4.
                can the inlet cam now be advanced say 6 deg ( with individual cam sprockets ) will this improve low speed torque ? (still no overlap)

                Or alternatively what would be the best settings with indivdual adjustable cam sprockets to :
                1. maximise hi speed power
                2. Maximize low speed torque.
                (not related together)
                The NM (2.0 20v) has the same inlet cam as 7A but 6 degrees advanced (open at 0 close 32ABTC). Could give better low speed torque, but really need a dyno to be sure

                Measure cams like this with a degree wheel mounted to the crank:
                Attached Files

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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Audi_CQ
                  The NM (2.0 20v) has the same inlet cam as 7A but 6 degrees advanced (open at 0 close 32ABTC). Could give better low speed torque, but really need a dyno to be sure

                  Measure cams like this with a degree wheel mounted to the crank:
                  I'll be running both NM inlet and exhaust in my car later this year, hoping for good results.

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                  • Audi_CQ
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 940
                    • Country: Norway

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Jamo
                    I'll be running both NM inlet and exhaust in my car later this year, hoping for good results.
                    Keep us posted with results

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                    • Tommy200rs
                      S2Forum Addict
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 285

                      #25
                      Here interesting cam values of the stroker TT RS: 10,7mm and 10mm lift. Cam opening times also here.


                      Last edited by Tommy200rs; 18 January 2010, 20:56.

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                      • Jamo
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 21750
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        Redone info

                        Inlet

                        AAN, ABY, 3B___ Opens 3° ATDC, closes 25° ABDC, duration 202°, lift 8,3mm
                        ADU___________ Opens 13° ATDC, closes 35° ABDC, duration 202°, lift 8,3mm?
                        NM ___________ Opens 0° ATDC, closes 32° ABDC, duration 212°, lift 9,6mm?
                        7A____________ Opens 6° ATDC, closes 38° ABDC, duration 212°, lift 9,6mm


                        Exhaust

                        AAN, ABY, 3B__ Opens 42° BBDC, closes 9° BTDC, duration 213°, lift 8,6mm
                        ADU__________ Opens 24° BBDC, closes 1° ATDC, duration 205°, lift 9,5mm
                        NM __________ Opens 35° BBDC, closes 3° BTDC, duration 212°, lift 9,6mm
                        7A___________ Opens 42° BBDC, closes 3° BTDC, duration 219°, lift 10,5mm

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                        • Wizard-of-OD
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 926
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by Jamo
                          Redone info

                          Inlet

                          AAN, ABY, 3B___ Opens 3° ATDC, closes 25° ABDC, duration 202°, lift 8,3mm
                          ADU___________ Opens 13° ATDC, closes 35° ABDC, duration 202°, lift 8,3mm?
                          NM ___________ Opens 0° ATDC, closes 32° ABDC, duration 212°, lift 9,6mm?
                          7A____________ Opens 6° ATDC, closes 38° ABDC, duration 212°, lift 9,6mm


                          Exhaust

                          AAN, ABY, 3B__ Opens 42° BBDC, closes 9° BTDC, duration 213°, lift 8,6mm
                          ADU__________ Opens 24° BBDC, closes 1° ATDC, duration 205°, lift 9,5mm
                          NM __________ Opens 35° BBDC, closes 3° BTDC, duration 212°, lift 9,6mm
                          7A___________ Opens 42° BBDC, closes 3° BTDC, duration 219°, lift 10,5mm
                          Jamo
                          did you ever get a decent dyno chart for NM cams?
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