overcoming 3B single coil pack problem

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  • Albert
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Aug 2003
    • 1500
    • Country: Poland

    #1

    overcoming 3B single coil pack problem

    I will be facing soon a problem with misfire on 3B engine coming close to 400hp. I know that Mihnea in http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1336 posted a way of transforming system for 5 coils.

    But are there any other ways to do it ? has any one do it ?
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  • 91_S2
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Jul 2003
    • 612

    #2
    I think Tommy Arnberg of Audi 20V_Kruemmer used some Volvo coils. In general, Tommy is a pretty inventive guy. He does more "mix and match" than anybody I have seen.

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    • Albert
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Aug 2003
      • 1500
      • Country: Poland

      #3
      I have the hardware form AAN but need info on how to ...
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      • 91_S2
        S2Forum Maniac
        • Jul 2003
        • 612

        #4
        Well to start with you need an AAN, ABY or ADU Motronics box. The 3B won't work. The Dizzy is different too IIRC.

        Put up a flare to Paul N. He can help you.

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        • SteveH
          Super Moderator
          • Jul 2003
          • 4460
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Albert,

          I've heard of at least two 3B's that were running the best part of 500bhp on the original 3b ignition without any problems. Perhaps you have a weak coil, plug or HT lead?
          91 Modded 3B
          14 A6 Avant Black Edition

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          • Albert
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Aug 2003
            • 1500
            • Country: Poland

            #6
            SteveH: I'm not there yet ... but I'm trying to secure my self and prepare befor I get in to torbule ... but if You are talking that 500HP is still runing on than ... i will sleep ok and 420HP will be posible than ... on stock coil ... or just change the coil to more eficient one
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            • Mihnea
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jul 2003
              • 1288
              • Home: Belgium Current: United Kingdom

              #7
              The coil might be a bit weak, but one coil is definitely still ok past 400 HP. Maybe just get a better coil, capacitive discharge or something like that and you should be ok.

              HTH,

              Mihnea
              '98 Silver Grey 2.7T S4, dual 2.75" turbo back exhaust with no cats, FMIC, BIG injectors, 10 Bar motorsport fuel pump, modded RS4 turbos, tubular exhaust manifolds, custom intakes, RS4 MAF, Bilstein PSS9, H&R ARBs, 19" BBS CH, custom remap, 511 BHP/505ft-lbs

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              • Albert
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Aug 2003
                • 1500
                • Country: Poland

                #8
                Originally posted by SteveH
                weak coil, plug or HT lead?
                what is plug and HT lead ? sorry for my bad english

                I have changed the wire's form the coil to the spark plugs, and they are also new.
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                • SteveH
                  Super Moderator
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 4460
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Albert,

                  Plug = spark plug
                  HT Lead = High tension lead or spark plug wire.

                  If you've already changed the wires your half way there


                  Originally posted by Albert
                  what is plug and HT lead ? sorry for my bad english

                  I have changed the wire's form the coil to the spark plugs, and they are also new.
                  91 Modded 3B
                  14 A6 Avant Black Edition

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                  • Albert
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 1500
                    • Country: Poland

                    #10
                    The spark plugs are also new ... i just need to change the coil

                    Does any one have info o the stock coil ?

                    Would this would be a good replacment ?
                    Primary Resistance: 0.7 ohms
                    Secondary Resistance: 4.7K ohms
                    Maximum Voltage: 45,000 volts
                    Inductance: 8 mH
                    Turns Ratio: 100:1
                    Peak Current: 140 mA
                    Spark Duration: 350 Us


                    Is there a need to change the distribiutor ?
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                    • Albert
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Aug 2003
                      • 1500
                      • Country: Poland

                      #11
                      or that ?

                      Primary Resistance: 0.44 ohms
                      Secondary Resistance: 3.1K ohms
                      Maximum Voltage: 48,000 volts
                      Inductance: 7 mH
                      Turns Ratio: 85:1
                      Peak Current: 300 mA
                      Spark Duration: 250 Us

                      Primary Resistance: .355 ohms
                      Peak Current: 300mA
                      Secondary Resistance: 6.2K ohms
                      Spark Duration: 180uS
                      Maximum Voltage: 48,000 volts
                      Primary Inductance: 6mH
                      Turns Ratio: 70:1
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                      • leo
                        S2Forum Enthusiast
                        • Dec 2003
                        • 101
                        • Country: Poland

                        #12
                        Albert, zmien cewke na taka z V8, da rade, mam taka, jest wieksza od tej oryginalnej z S2 3B.

                        I think the Audi V8 coil will do.
                        OOOO

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                        • Albert
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 1500
                          • Country: Poland

                          #13
                          Leo ... thanks just have found out what MSD coil to use
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                          • 91_S2
                            S2Forum Maniac
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 612

                            #14
                            Originally posted by leo
                            Albert, zmien cewke na taka z V8, da rade, mam taka, jest wieksza od tej oryginalnej z S2 3B.

                            I think the Audi V8 coil will do.
                            Leo, I sent you a private message.

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                            • 1975DCS
                              S2Forum Addict
                              • Sep 2006
                              • 258
                              • Country: Netherlands

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Albert
                              Leo ... thanks just have found out what MSD coil to use
                              Okay with which one did you end up than?

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