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  • AUDIS2avant
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Jan 2009
    • 670
    • Country: Denmark

    #16
    Well not 100%, have my back seats up and can hear something buzzing in the back when crancking, and yea the afterrun pump is also running as you say.
    think i´m gonna test for power to the pump tomorrow.
    But i still cant find out why the coils wont fire

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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #17
      Have you lifted off the camshaft cover with plugs attached - then earthed to check for sparks - are you sure there is no spark.

      Could you (or someone) have messed with the connections on the POS units for example - that would skew things off big time.
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      • pixsaudisex2
        S2Forum Possessed
        • Sep 2004
        • 3110

        #18
        Originally posted by S2central.net
        Are you REALLY hearing the fuel pump running ?

        There is a few seconds 'whirring noise' when you 1st turn ignition key ON - this is often thought to be the fuel pump being 'primed' - thats what you get on K-Jetronic dinoasaurs but not Motronic... That noise is actually the afterrun water pump getting tested by the ECU before the engine is started.

        If you don't have a voltage tester, then wire up a low wattage 12V bulb (like 5W sidelight) across the terminals of the fuel pump wires to make sure it gets lit up when cranking.
        I thought the fuel pump ran as well before startn up.... is this not the case.

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        • S2central.net
          Retired OG Mod
          • Jul 2003
          • 16590
          • Country: Northern Ireland

          #19
          Tis a myth...

          It only occurs on K-Jetronic so as to prime some fuel into the accumulator for its continuous injection system - makes for easier starting on that setup.
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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #20
            If you want proof - have a friend turn the key to ignition while you have your hand on the afterrun pump !
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            • Knight Rider S4
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              • Mar 2005
              • 3541
              • Country: Scotland

              #21
              Originally posted by AUDIS2avant
              .
              Sparkplugs get wet but cant se a spark from any of the 5 cyl?
              No problem with the pump as the there is fuel going to the injectors


              I will stick with the Ignition switch
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              • S2central.net
                Retired OG Mod
                • Jul 2003
                • 16590
                • Country: Northern Ireland

                #22
                It could be the ignition switch - but its a bit odd if the pump is getting power when the ECU and/or coils aren't.

                Oh here's a silly question - what spark plugs are fitted - stock items or something funky ?

                Half a day with a breakout box, oscilloscope and VAGCOM would root cause this one !
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                • AUDIS2avant
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 670
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                  #23
                  Standard plugs nipondenso ones.
                  Have just checked, there is fuel going to the rail so pump is working.
                  It also gets 5 volts to the sensors when i cranck the engine.
                  Have also tried some other spark plugs.
                  Still no spark tho hmm
                  Last edited by AUDIS2avant; 28 February 2009, 12:24.

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                  • Jas11n
                    S2Forum Zealot
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 5067
                    • Country: England

                    #24
                    Originally posted by AUDIS2avant
                    Standard plugs nipondenso ones.
                    Standard plugs are Bosch F5DP0R.
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                    • AUDIS2avant
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Jan 2009
                      • 670
                      • Country: Denmark

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Jas11n
                      Standard plugs are Bosch F5DP0R.

                      I couldent get those so i got the denso´s as they are the same as the bosch ones.
                      Denso´s are called pk22pr8
                      And they have worked fine for the last 5k km have even tried other plugs, but no luck

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                      • S2central.net
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 16590
                        • Country: Northern Ireland

                        #26
                        Originally posted by AUDIS2avant
                        Standard plugs nipondenso ones.
                        Have just checked, there is fuel going to the rail so pump is working.
                        It also gets 5 volts to the sensors when i cranck the engine.
                        Have also tried some other spark plugs.
                        Still no spark tho hmm
                        Never mind so much having 5V supply to the camshaft sensor - you need a pulse from it every camshaft revolution. Use a simple LED style 5V tester... The light will stay on then momentarily blink off.

                        Pretty sure you replaced it already though - check the ring on the back of cam sprocket is not damaged and that the wiring between sensor and ECU is all good. I can give you a pinout if necessary.
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                        2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                        • AUDIS2avant
                          S2Forum Maniac
                          • Jan 2009
                          • 670
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                          #27
                          Originally posted by S2central.net
                          Never mind so much having 5V supply to the camshaft sensor - you need a pulse from it every camshaft revolution. Use a simple LED style 5V tester... The light will stay on then momentarily blink off.

                          Pretty sure you replaced it already though - check the ring on the back of cam sprocket is not damaged and that the wiring between sensor and ECU is all good. I can give you a pinout if necessary.
                          I checked the ring as it was wery dirty and i cleaned it up.
                          Would be nice to have a pin out from the sensors tho, as i have an idea that it´s a bad conection.
                          The hall sensor, should it send 5v out and 0v when it hits the "hole" in the cam wheel?
                          Cranck sensor i have 3 to test with, and have done just that, and nothing

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                          • newsh
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                            • Aug 2003
                            • 16226
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            What about the flywheel pin?

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                            • AUDIS2avant
                              S2Forum Maniac
                              • Jan 2009
                              • 670
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                              #29
                              Back again.
                              Flywheel pin is present, timing is ok and have done a output test on the wires to the coils and power is coming out, they are just not firing????
                              Found the test on http://www.s2-audi.co.uk/work_shop.htm
                              Just cant understand why the coils wont fire....

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                              • AUDIS2avant
                                S2Forum Maniac
                                • Jan 2009
                                • 670
                                • Country: Denmark

                                #30
                                tonight after almost having the whole engine apart, it fired up, now also with pauls chips inside

                                I have to say big thanx to everybody for your help, specially paul for the tecnicaly part and urs4boy also.
                                Now i have a full insight of the engine so if anybody wants help???

                                Fault was a combination of bad ground on the plenum, dirty connectors and dead cranck sensor and mfts.
                                It startet 7times in total when cold up to hot, just to check so have to se tomorrow after a full night without tuching it tho, so wish me luck

                                Am looking forward to driving it now, cause the short trip i took for testing, it was compleetly transformed powerwise

                                So thanx again guys, this is what the forum is all about

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