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  • AUDIS2avant
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Jan 2009
    • 670
    • Country: Denmark

    #1

    hmm, still no start up

    hi guys.
    Have changed the fuel pump relay, cranck sensor, hall sensor and the mfts sensor today, and the car still wont start.
    I´m getting no fault codes, so am ******** my self here.
    Sparkplugs get wet but cant se a spark from any of the 5 cyl?
    Any ideas?
    Last edited by AUDIS2avant; 27 February 2009, 13:43.
  • GT500
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Jun 2006
    • 2181
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    Motor fuses in the fuse box under the bonnet. If a coil fails it blows the fuse.. no start.
    Rob..
    94 RS2 Noggy,LHD,MTM map,18"cup 1s,245/35/18,Bilsteins,RS2 H&Rs,Cup splitter.
    87 UR 20v ABY
    97 S6 Avant
    96 A6 C4 2.5 TDI quattro avant,Ming,Wietec/eibach,chipped
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    • AUDIS2avant
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Jan 2009
      • 670
      • Country: Denmark

      #3
      Thanx m8.
      Just checked all fuses and all ok.
      I´m getting no spark what so ever, but suddenly when i was clening up i had taken the coils up and put 5 spark plugs in the coils, nr1 coil and the wgfv startet to go nuts and valve clicked constantly and nr 1 coil started to fire????
      Maybe my ecu is dead then?

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      • S2central.net
        Retired OG Mod
        • Jul 2003
        • 16590
        • Country: Northern Ireland

        #4
        Have you checked earths ?
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        • AUDIS2avant
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Jan 2009
          • 670
          • Country: Denmark

          #5
          Yes, earth wire on manifold and on top to coils are good and working

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #6
            Do you have VAGCOM ?

            Have you tried doing output tests yet - thats a good indication that ECU is basically sane and can communicate some outputs.

            You really need an oscilliscope to test if the ECU is receiving the right signals - and that it is trying to send primary voltage to the POS.

            With an LED tester you can verify presence of pulses at G40 and the injectors but it tells you so little compared to a 'scope.

            There's honestly not that many things which will cause a no-start. The really tricky ones are fractures in the wiring loom and/or bad contacts - you need a breakout box and lots of patience in those situations. Even if you have to hire a scope it would be worthwhile...
            Paul Nugent
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            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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            • AUDIS2avant
              S2Forum Maniac
              • Jan 2009
              • 670
              • Country: Denmark

              #7
              I do have on sunday?
              Can i make it trigger the coils and injectors? just so i can se the wire´s are ok?
              I need a 5v led tester really, but am getting 5v to the hall sensor so guess that is ok then.

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              • Knight Rider S4
                S2Forum Possessed
                • Mar 2005
                • 3541
                • Country: Scotland

                #8
                Just checked all fuses and all ok.
                I´m getting no spark what so ever, but suddenly when i was clening up i had taken the coils up and put 5 spark plugs in the coils, nr1 coil and the wgfv startet to go nuts and valve clicked constantly and nr 1 coil started to fire????
                Maybe my ecu is dead then?
                Does there look like there has been water in the fusebox or a water leak down beside the passengers footwell? as with all these different things getting power would indicate something is giving a live feed to them (as in shorting out )
                93 S2 Avant Parting
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                • AUDIS2avant
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 670
                  • Country: Denmark

                  #9
                  Hmm nothing from engine side, but my front window has been leaking a bit in the left side but the water did only reach the seat (dripping) but can it go up to the fuses from the back???
                  Wouldent it blow a fuse or somat?

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                  • S2central.net
                    Retired OG Mod
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 16590
                    • Country: Northern Ireland

                    #10
                    Your left side is drivers side - thats where the auxiliary fusebox is - check it out for nice clean and dry contacts... Hopefully water hasn't made it into the loom.

                    With VAGCOM you run the output tests and it covers WGFV, EVAP, ISV and the injectors - not in that order... The tests are sequenced by opening / closing the throttle when prompted on screen.
                    Paul Nugent
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                    1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                    2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                    2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                    • Knight Rider S4
                      S2Forum Possessed
                      • Mar 2005
                      • 3541
                      • Country: Scotland

                      #11
                      HAve just read through all your posts and other threads and trying to see some sort of pattern

                      Need to answer some questions

                      When the WGFV started clicking and the Number 1 coil fired was this with the ignition switched on ?

                      What immobiliser is fitted to the car?

                      When did the problem start exactly ?

                      Have you checked the ignition switch?

                      You say the problem is temperature related ..are you sure?
                      93 S2 Avant Parting
                      91 URQ RR
                      02 A4 tdi Avant

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                      • AUDIS2avant
                        S2Forum Maniac
                        • Jan 2009
                        • 670
                        • Country: Denmark

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Knight Rider S4
                        HAve just read through all your posts and other threads and trying to see some sort of pattern

                        Need to answer some questions

                        When the WGFV started clicking and the Number 1 coil fired was this with the ignition switched on ? Yes ignition was on

                        What immobiliser is fitted to the car?None

                        When did the problem start exactly ?Some time ago now, and got worse and worse until now

                        Have you checked the ignition switch?You mean for the key?

                        You say the problem is temperature related ..are you sure?It looked like it before, as the car dident want to start when it was below 0 deg
                        Have tried to answer in your quote

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                        • Knight Rider S4
                          S2Forum Possessed
                          • Mar 2005
                          • 3541
                          • Country: Scotland

                          #13
                          Ignition switch at the back of the barrel were the key inputs...As you say the problem has got worse this is a classic trend for ignition switch fault as the internals of the switch break down causing loads of faults which are not picked up by vag.com

                          Change the switch would be my first bet !!
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                          91 URQ RR
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                          • AUDIS2avant
                            S2Forum Maniac
                            • Jan 2009
                            • 670
                            • Country: Denmark

                            #14
                            Hmm does this not cut the power to the box only??
                            As i can hear the fuel pump running when i cranck the car?

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                            • S2central.net
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 16590
                              • Country: Northern Ireland

                              #15
                              Are you REALLY hearing the fuel pump running ?

                              There is a few seconds 'whirring noise' when you 1st turn ignition key ON - this is often thought to be the fuel pump being 'primed' - thats what you get on K-Jetronic dinoasaurs but not Motronic... That noise is actually the afterrun water pump getting tested by the ECU before the engine is started.

                              If you don't have a voltage tester, then wire up a low wattage 12V bulb (like 5W sidelight) across the terminals of the fuel pump wires to make sure it gets lit up when cranking.
                              Paul Nugent
                              Webmaster http://S2central.net
                              Administrator http://S2forum.com

                              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                              There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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