difference between 3B and 7a engine ?

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  • fluk3
    S2Forum Enthusiast
    • Mar 2008
    • 146
    • Home: Denmark

    #16
    oki so I became wiser now, thanks.
    I think I take a normal 3b engine. and build on is there anyone of you knows how much the original pistons may hold

    and if an oil pump from an ABY in better was it a good idea to build it in the 3b block ?

    if I can not find ABY engine for my project

    or an RS2 engine but then it starts to become expensive. even before I bought tuna parts

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    • 4WheelDrifter
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Oct 2004
      • 5773
      • Country: Devon

      #17
      Original pistons take lots of power. ABY oil pump is no better than a 3B/7A, it is just missing the cambelt roller.
      An RS2 engine just costs more, that's the main difference.
      SS

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      • fluk3
        S2Forum Enthusiast
        • Mar 2008
        • 146
        • Home: Denmark

        #18
        oki thank you so much. but I have one more question.

        The top of a 7A and 3B engine what is the difference exactly?

        it is because I have a complete ABY top. which is defective it has a small crack to a water line. so I've have a complete exhaust valve set, can be used to 7A top?

        There was one who said that the exhaust valves are not the same at the 7A and 3B but is that the material or size?. if it is size then I can not install the valves from my old ABY top

        then I have more good reasons to buy the 7A engine. both cams, and I can assemble a top that i can use

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        • Jamo
          Retired OG Mod
          • Mar 2004
          • 21750
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          You'd have to drill and tap the block for the ABY cambelt tensioner if your used the ABY oil pump.

          there is no need, use the 3B pump and cambelt setup

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          • Flat on my back
            S2Forum Fiend
            • Jan 2007
            • 2449
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #20
            Originally posted by Jamo
            You'd have to drill and tap the block for the ABY cambelt tensioner if your used the ABY oil pump.
            On a 7A block THERE IS NOT ENOUGH METAL to add the ABY tensioner...btdt.
            Carlos.

            On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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            • GazzaG60
              S2Forum Freak
              • Mar 2007
              • 4133
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #21
              my view is this

              other than the extra cooling of the water rail on the long head i can see no reason why 7a cant make power. it is in principle a 16v with another pot and totally standard engine 16v's have done over 400whp. the advantage on the 16v is that you can get a steel gasket from the dealer from an abf.

              i know of a guy who made 435whp on a 35r at 35psi on a stock 16v IIRC stacked gaskets.

              as its less hp per cylinder i cant see who it wont hold out.

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              • 4WheelDrifter
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Oct 2004
                • 5773
                • Country: Devon

                #22
                Originally posted by fluk3
                oki thank you so much. but I have one more question.

                The top of a 7A and 3B engine what is the difference exactly?

                it is because I have a complete ABY top. which is defective it has a small crack to a water line. so I've have a complete exhaust valve set, can be used to 7A top?

                There was one who said that the exhaust valves are not the same at the 7A and 3B but is that the material or size?. if it is size then I can not install the valves from my old ABY top

                then I have more good reasons to buy the 7A engine. both cams, and I can assemble a top that i can use
                I modified a 7A head by drilling the 3 extra holes and 3 extra threads for the water manifold. It's been done plenty of times by other forum members too. I then used all the internal parts from my 3B head.

                The valves are the same size, but the 3B has sodium filled exhaust valves, the 7A does not in my experience. Although there is a mention of it in the workshop manual, so maybe there are some 7As out there with sodium valves. It's easy to tell if they are or not.

                7A heads are generally in better condition than used 3B/ABY/AAN/AAN heads, so if you don't mind a little machine work there are benefits to using one.
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                • fluk3
                  S2Forum Enthusiast
                  • Mar 2008
                  • 146
                  • Home: Denmark

                  #23
                  oki I can actually with good reasons, buy the 7A engine and use the old parts from ABY top except the cams and get a god top whit ABY valvs and 7A cams, that fits on a 3B engine

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                  • fluk3
                    S2Forum Enthusiast
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 146
                    • Home: Denmark

                    #24
                    so I had purchased the 7A engine. I think I was just lucky I got an complete engine which has been running around 170000 km with 01A gear box on. The engine is fitted with Brand new power distribution complete wiring and box. and has brand new oil on it: D and I bought it all for only 2500 Dkr = 330 Euro he he

                    many thanks for your help everyone.

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