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  • ian4455
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    • Nov 2010
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    #1

    help converting 3b to AAN/ABY ignition

    Looking to upgrade my 3b, what do i need ?
  • rs200
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    • May 2009
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    #2
    hy
    1. you need a gust..
    2. you need this :

    file will help you. I did it lot of time by this sheme , and work perfect..
    3. you will need 6 new wires
    5 for signals for ignition coil
    1 for VSS signal , you can get from A/C controler (white/blue wire)

    make it on your mind , that you must give to ABY what thew want..

    what kind of ignition coil will you use ?

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    • UrS4boy
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      • Feb 2006
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      #3
      Originally posted by ian4455
      Looking to upgrade my 3b, what do i need ?
      In addition to the important link that RS200 pointed you to, how are you going to handle the need for a cam position Hall effects sender (G40 CPS)? You have three options:

      1. Using an early (pre-Feb 1992( AAN tuna can dizzy (see photo below) (not sure if the gears are the same as the 3B gears)
      2. Using post-Feb 1992 AAN or any ABY head
      3. Conversion of your 3B head to mount the CPS with a bracket made by "a guy" (name has escaped me) in Norway (see photo).

      1. Earl AAN Tuna can dizzy

      2. Norwegian CPS adapter:
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      • Thuppu
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        • Sep 2010
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        #4
        Originally posted by UrS4boy
        1. Using an early (pre-Feb 1992( AAN tuna can dizzy (see photo below) (not sure if the gears are the same as the 3B gears)
        The gears are different. AAN cams resolve the problem.

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        • newsh
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          #5
          Can you not use the Hall effect sender in the 3B dizzy?

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          • UrS4boy
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            #6
            Originally posted by Thuppu
            The gears are different. AAN cams resolve the problem.
            And by that, you mean a pre-Feb 1992 AAN "021 AQ" intake cam that looks similar but different than this one:



            The 021 AQ one in AAN engine No. 3910 or lower

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            • rs200
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              #7
              Originally posted by newsh
              Can you not use the Hall effect sender in the 3B dizzy?
              yes ... I use 3b distributor only for a hall sender .

              you don't need to replace to AAN cam and " distributor " ... 3b are just fine. now is one year on my car , and I have no problem with them.. maybe AAN distributor are little bit better than 3B , because he have more teeth .

              when you do this , distributor must be at marks , just like before on 3b.

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              • UrS4boy
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                #8
                Originally posted by rs200
                yes ... I use 3b distributor only for a hall sender . you don't need to replace to AAN cam and " distributor " ... 3b are just fine. now is one year on my car , and I have no problem with them.. maybe AAN distributor are little bit better than 3B , because he have more teeth . when you do this , distributor must be at marks , just like before on 3b.
                Okay, good to know.
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                • Rocco
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                  • Aug 2007
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by rs200
                  yes ... I use 3b distributor only for a hall sender .

                  you don't need to replace to AAN cam and " distributor " ... 3b are just fine. now is one year on my car , and I have no problem with them.. maybe AAN distributor are little bit better than 3B , because he have more teeth .

                  when you do this , distributor must be at marks , just like before on 3b.
                  and did you pluged the distributor cap with something or you only unplug the spark wires ??
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                  • rs200
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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Rocco
                    and did you pluged the distributor cap with something or you only unplug the spark wires ??

                    hahha now you remember me something.. on one meet in Croatia , one guy was waching my engine bay.. and they saw distributor cap without spark wires..

                    and they asked me; how did engine work without spark wires????

                    and I said to them ; did you see this little sensor on it (hall sensor) ... YES...

                    this is bluetooth modul and coils work via bluetooth , the last touch of Japan tehnologi ... work perfect and have no chance to get misfire .. something perfect...:mischeif:

                    he said : that sensor, it must be somewere on ebay, I will find it and put on my suzuki swift... the monster LOOOOLLLLL was happend... and that guy amediatly go home with his suzuki ....

                    yes I have a cap... (bluetooth cap)

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                    • Thuppu
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                      #11
                      Haha, rs200, that was funny!


                      Originally posted by UrS4boy
                      And by that, you mean a pre-Feb 1992 AAN "021 AQ" intake cam that looks similar but different than this one:



                      The 021 AQ one in AAN engine No. 3910 or lower

                      I´m not sure if there have been same kind of cams in all AAN engines or not, but here is a pic of two different cams, 3b vs. AAN.


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                      • Rocco
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                        #12
                        Originally posted by rs200
                        hahha now you remember me something.. on one meet in Croatia , one guy was waching my engine bay.. and they saw distributor cap without spark wires..

                        and they asked me; how did engine work without spark wires????

                        and I said to them ; did you see this little sensor on it (hall sensor) ... YES...

                        this is bluetooth modul and coils work via bluetooth , the last touch of Japan tehnologi ... work perfect and have no chance to get misfire .. something perfect...:mischeif:

                        he said : that sensor, it must be somewere on ebay, I will find it and put on my suzuki swift... the monster LOOOOLLLLL was happend... and that guy amediatly go home with his suzuki ....



                        yes I have a cap... (bluetooth cap)

                        nice one¡'
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                        • UrS4boy
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by Thuppu
                          I´m not sure if there have been same kind of cams in all AAN engines or not, but here is a pic of two different cams, 3b vs. AAN.
                          Jari: Thanks that is a great comparison photo. If you don't mind I have used it (with credit) to revise my UrS cam position sensor post:

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                          • Thuppu
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by UrS4boy
                            Jari: Thanks that is a great comparison photo. If you don't mind I have used it (with credit) to revise my UrS cam position sensor post:

                            http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/msgs/22580.phtml
                            This is not a pic taken by me. It's taken by jta(Jari Aalto) from the Audifinns forum. I can ask him, if it's ok to use it..?


                            Edit.

                            I asked him, and it's ok to use the pic.
                            Last edited by Thuppu; 28 December 2010, 11:13.

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                            • UrS4boy
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                              #15
                              Originally posted by Thuppu
                              This is not a pic taken by me. It's taken by jta(Jari Aalto) from the Audifinns forum. I can ask him, if it's ok to use it..? Edit. I asked him, and it's ok to use the pic.
                              Thuppu (and Jari (jta)): Thanks. That is a great photo to show the early AAN intake cam with tuna can hall sender "dizzy" drive gear and comparison to the 3B real dizzy drive gear. Thanks for letting me use it.

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