what are you tweaking & mapping it with out of interest ?
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Paul Nugent
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Better to test in third... no comparison data in foruth...By way of comparison... looking at some recent boost logs from an RS2 turbo'd S2 running V-stream and Wagner IC, customised for 0.8bar WG spring and spooling aggressively as it can...
In a 4th gear pull starting ~1850rpm
it goes positive boost before 1900
its making 0.4bar at 2400
0.8bar at 2750
and hits max target of 1.8bar before 3300... not aimed for 1.9bar on it yet but it shouldnt struggle to make that
Stock RS2 turbo won't get to that. Wishful thinking sadly.It can approach 400bhp when running with injectors larger than RS2 as well.
Neither the turbine nor compressor flow enough. After you get to about 370 you start hitting a brick wall with this turbo. BTDT many times.Comment
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not mapping stage yet Paul.
that will be just changing compressor will with lighter one just to aid faster spool up.at the moment i'm using the old k27 wheel with flat back just like the k24 7000.
i believe with newer lighter compressor wheel with superback this will spool much faster.[SIGPIC][SIGPIC]/SIGPIC]92 3B pearl white=gone back home to Germany,probably in bits and pieces
RS2 VOLCANO BLACK] soon to be broken to bits
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If i remember correctly, Sal hit 400hp on his RS2 turbo, but it took some doing. Like 2.2bar and on it's way out by the redline... i would be interested to know how 3rd gear compares Paul / David, all mydata is for 3rd, I'm aiming for a hybrid similar to PRJ fitted before his engine expired, 410-420hp and 1.9bar in 3rd around 3800rpm.
@David, what power are you expecting to make and what are the details of this superback comp wheel? that's been the big undecided on my turbo, what comp wheel is best...AUDI - saving Dad's from minivans since 1994
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will see if I can get 3rd gear data on that one... its not fully optimised yet but blowing the right way
Paul Nugent
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2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble
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Ross,If i remember correctly, Sal hit 400hp on his RS2 turbo, but it took some doing. Like 2.2bar and on it's way out by the redline... i would be interested to know how 3rd gear compares Paul / David, all mydata is for 3rd, I'm aiming for a hybrid similar to PRJ fitted before his engine expired, 410-420hp and 1.9bar in 3rd around 3800rpm.
@David, what power are you expecting to make and what are the details of this superback comp wheel? that's been the big undecided on my turbo, what comp wheel is best...
the hybrid i'm building will easly exceed 420bhp with little or no mapping.
with light superback compressor wheel,i have choice's of two really.one with 6 blades 78mm inducer 56mm exducer,and the other 81mm inducer 59 exducer with 7 blades.
always best to use the lightest wheel possible.Last edited by david; 2 August 2011, 16:16.[SIGPIC][SIGPIC]/SIGPIC]92 3B pearl white=gone back home to Germany,probably in bits and pieces
RS2 VOLCANO BLACK] soon to be broken to bits
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So did SteveHIf i remember correctly, Sal hit 400hp on his RS2 turbo, but it took some doing. Like 2.2bar and on it's way out by the redline... i would be interested to know how 3rd gear compares Paul / David, all mydata is for 3rd, I'm aiming for a hybrid similar to PRJ fitted before his engine expired, 410-420hp and 1.9bar in 3rd around 3800rpm.
@David, what power are you expecting to make and what are the details of this superback comp wheel? that's been the big undecided on my turbo, what comp wheel is best...Comment
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Any experiences with Holset HE351VGT? Should be possible to get fast spool and good top end with this geometry.
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Code:Wheel dimensions. Turbine EX 2.357 ~60mm IND 2.755 ~70mm Compressor EX 3.38 ~85-86mm IND 2.37 ~60mm
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David, are you making this kinda power from a stock RS2 hotside? Or have you changed the turbine? I thought the RS2 used a #6 hotside, and unmodified this limited to about 400hp... but the later spool suggests to me that you're a #8 or a bigger turbine wheel?AUDI - saving Dad's from minivans since 1994
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The downside of the HE341ve is that it is MASSIVE!Any experiences with Holset HE351VGT? Should be possible to get fast spool and good top end with this geometry.
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Code:Wheel dimensions. Turbine EX 2.357 ~60mm IND 2.755 ~70mm Compressor EX 3.38 ~85-86mm IND 2.37 ~60mm
I think something like a HE341CW would allow for fast spool and >= 350whp.
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As long as physics exist, this is not true.
Oh, so now hardware without mapping makes power by itself just lying there?
420 hp is not that super easy as you put it, 420hp with a K26/K27 hybrid on stock engine without some sort of chemical charge cooling is not doable either.
Ever wondered how people throw around hugely inflated hp numbers someones mothers sister did somewhere while going backwards and then that translates into unfounded expectations?
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yes mate,
i'm using stock rs2 hotside and bearing housing mated to k27 coldside,hence why i call it rs2 k27 hybrid.[SIGPIC][SIGPIC]/SIGPIC]92 3B pearl white=gone back home to Germany,probably in bits and pieces
RS2 VOLCANO BLACK] soon to be broken to bits
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Well you can have a betting game of what lets go first - the rods or the bearings
Also RS2 turbine assembly does not really flow past 380hp. You just get crazy pre-turbo EGT and knock.Comment
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