Help needed: ignition order / ignition timing ABY - AAN - ADU

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  • Firebird69
    S2Forum Fanatic
    • Aug 2010
    • 83
    • Country: United States

    #1

    Help needed: ignition order / ignition timing ABY - AAN - ADU

    Hi everyone...
    I just finished putting an AAN together into an UrS4 and build in a free progammable control unit...
    The engine ran with the old original control unit and now doesn't start and doesn't ever trigger
    It got a ABY start - programm on it, so I'm guessing the the ignigion order or the trigger timing piont is diferent.

    Does anyone of you know? Help....
  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #2
    1-2-4-5-3
    Paul Nugent
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    1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
    2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
    2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #3
      thats from memory - please get a 2nd opinion
      Paul Nugent
      Webmaster http://S2central.net
      Administrator http://S2forum.com

      1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
      2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
      2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

      Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

      There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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      • Nuno Cristiano
        S2Forum Addict
        • Aug 2010
        • 421
        • Country: Portugal

        #4
        I think 1-2-3-5-4
        .: MINI Cooper D 08' :.
        .: Audi Coupe Quattro 20V 91' :.
        .: Audi Porsche RS2 95' :.

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        • Firebird69
          S2Forum Fanatic
          • Aug 2010
          • 83
          • Country: United States

          #5
          ok...that is the order for AAN or ABY or both

          and what is with the trigger-timing same or different?

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          • Dan
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Jun 2008
            • 1242
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Originally posted by S2central.net
            thats from memory - please get a 2nd opinion
            This count?



            1993 ABY Coupe | BMW R1200 GS
            A6 3.0 TDI Quattro (aka Sonic's 'ring support/cargo vehicle )

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            • UrS4boy
              S2Forum Obsessed
              • Feb 2006
              • 11859
              • Country: Canada

              #7
              Originally posted by Firebird69
              ok...that is the order for AAN or ABY or both
              and what is with the trigger-timing same or different?
              I think the firing order is actually cast into the head, 1-2-4-5-3.

              3B, AAN, ABY and ADU all have the same firing order.

              You should tell us what control unit you are using. There might be people here with that unit that could help you sort your problem.
              Last edited by UrS4boy; 29 March 2011, 13:16.
              RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
              94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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              • UrS4boy
                S2Forum Obsessed
                • Feb 2006
                • 11859
                • Country: Canada

                #8
                AAN Technical Data

                The attached should help.
                Attached Files
                RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                • Firebird69
                  S2Forum Fanatic
                  • Aug 2010
                  • 83
                  • Country: United States

                  #9
                  funny Video...

                  Well UrS4boy...the control unit is a MME (maf-map-engineering) ECU481. So if anyone is using it. I'd be very thankful.
                  But I'm still asking myself about the triggering...

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                  • Jamo
                    Retired OG Mod
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 21750
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Firebird69
                    Hi everyone...
                    I just finished putting an AAN together into an UrS4 and build in a free progammable control unit...
                    The engine ran with the old original control unit and now doesn't start and doesn't ever trigger
                    It got a ABY start - programm on it, so I'm guessing the the ignigion order or the trigger timing piont is diferent.

                    Does anyone of you know? Help....
                    Are you using the standard audi trigger or aftermarket like 60-2 and what ecu are you using?

                    The firing order is as s2central says and correct it is cast into the head, obviously for the absent minded audi mechanics!

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                    • Firebird69
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                      • Aug 2010
                      • 83
                      • Country: United States

                      #11
                      the trigger is still standard Audi AAN...would it be different from ABY???

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                      • Jamo
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Mar 2004
                        • 21750
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Audi trigger is very complex as it's based on 3 inputs



                        I doubt MME is configured to handle it

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                        • Firebird69
                          S2Forum Fanatic
                          • Aug 2010
                          • 83
                          • Country: United States

                          #13
                          oh well...I'll ask the control unit guy about it again...He said there are quiete a few running this unit in there l5 20VT
                          would suck if it won't work...

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                          • prj
                            S2Forum Zealot
                            • Mar 2010
                            • 6308
                            • Country: Estonia

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Jamo
                            Audi trigger is very complex as it's based on 3 inputs



                            I doubt MME is configured to handle it
                            It clearly says here that it supports it:
                            http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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                            • prj
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 6308
                              • Country: Estonia

                              #15
                              I really like how this ECU supports a HFM to automatically fill the VE table.
                              Really cool stuff.

                              Here is something similar in piggyback form:
                              http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

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