2 knock sensors, 5 cylinders how does that work then?

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  • s2_wot
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Aug 2006
    • 2178

    #1

    2 knock sensors, 5 cylinders how does that work then?

    This question just came to me while reading Lou's thread. So anybody tell me how the system decides where the knock is?
    Shane
  • Kieron20V
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Mar 2008
    • 1505
    • Home: England Current: United Kingdom

    #2
    Flyheel position, timing?
    1994 URS4 Avant RS2+

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    • driftin jo
      S2Forum Fiend
      • Sep 2007
      • 2222
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      It knows what cylinder is on its compression stroke.

      I'm not even sure if motronic does per cylinder timing retard anyway, it may just retard the timing for all cylinders if it hears knock. I'm sure someone will confirm if it has per cylinder retard or not but if it does like I said above.

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      • s2_wot
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Aug 2006
        • 2178

        #4
        Dmitri stated in another thread that the retardation was on a per cylinder basis, that's what got me thinking. I neglected to consider that motronic is looking at all the other details too. Thanks for the prompt answers gents.
        Shane

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        • UrS4boy
          S2Forum Obsessed
          • Feb 2006
          • 11859
          • Country: Canada

          #5
          G61 and G66 Knock Sensor info

          Originally posted by s2_wot
          This question just came to me while reading Lou's thread. So anybody tell me how the system decides where the knock is?
          This info might help you:

          The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums
          RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
          94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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          • prj
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Mar 2010
            • 6308
            • Country: Estonia

            #6
            Originally posted by driftin jo
            I'm not even sure if motronic does per cylinder timing retard anyway
            It does.
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            • s2_wot
              S2Forum Fiend
              • Aug 2006
              • 2178

              #7
              Is it possible then using vag-com or other method to log the instances of knock detection on a per cylinder basis?
              Shane

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              • Ian Simmonds
                S2Forum Fiend
                • Jun 2005
                • 2858
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                do you have a doorbell in every room of your house?
                85 WR Urquattro, 85 20vT International liveried RallyRep
                93 MTMS2 Avant

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                • prj
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Mar 2010
                  • 6308
                  • Country: Estonia

                  #9
                  Originally posted by s2_wot
                  Is it possible then using vag-com or other method to log the instances of knock detection on a per cylinder basis?
                  That is my wet dream, and the reason why I am sitting right now and disassembling the LDR chip in IDA Pro...
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                  • s2_wot
                    S2Forum Fiend
                    • Aug 2006
                    • 2178

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Ian Simmonds
                    do you have a doorbell in every room of your house?
                    not at the moment but I might upgrade to a whole house system in the future

                    Originally posted by prj
                    That is my wet dream, and the reason why I am sitting right now and disassembling the LDR chip in IDA Pro...
                    Is it something that can be logged on newer cars? By the time you're finished with motronic bosch wouldn't even recognise it What is LDR if you don't mind?
                    Shane

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                    • prj
                      S2Forum Zealot
                      • Mar 2010
                      • 6308
                      • Country: Estonia

                      #11
                      Originally posted by s2_wot
                      Is it something that can be logged on newer cars? By the time you're finished with motronic bosch wouldn't even recognise it What is LDR if you don't mind?
                      Yes, you can log this on ME7.1 for example with ECUx.
                      LDR software is in 87C257 chip. Probably comes from the german word "lader" (charger).
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                      • pixsaudisex2
                        S2Forum Possessed
                        • Sep 2004
                        • 3110

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Ian Simmonds
                        do you have a doorbell in every room of your house?
                        Yes why i live in a bed sit..

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                        • UrS4boy
                          S2Forum Obsessed
                          • Feb 2006
                          • 11859
                          • Country: Canada

                          #13
                          Originally posted by prj
                          LDR software is in 87C257 chip. Probably comes from the german word "lader" (charger).
                          As in turbolader.
                          RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
                          94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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                          • S2central.net
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 16590
                            • Country: Northern Ireland

                            #14
                            Tis good fun winding back the electrics from the car loom to where it interacts with the various chips inside the ECU... so that dmitri can focus on the right part of the matrix in the search of knock logging, hidden comms routines and such like. The more we learn about the complexity inside that 20yr old factory ECU the more amazing it is to think how advanced it was in its day - and still very capable today for silly power levels today as we slowly unravel the machine and discover how to do hitherto unmentionable things.
                            Paul Nugent
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                            • Billman
                              S2Forum Freak
                              • Nov 2004
                              • 4129

                              #15
                              Originally posted by prj
                              Yes, you can log this on ME7.1 for example with ECUx.
                              LDR software is in 87C257 chip. Probably comes from the german word "lader" (charger).
                              maybe Ladedruck as in Boost
                              Go Holset or Go RS4

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