urquattro with AAN running lean

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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #16
    This one - http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=52979
    Paul Nugent
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    2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
    2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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    • DJones
      S2Forum Fiend
      • Jun 2005
      • 2020
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
      Originally posted by S2central.net
      Good advice there - only adjustment I would suggest to simplify things is to use the existing fuel pump feed wire to activate the local relay that is fed from the battery. This avoids the need to find the control wire from ECU into the factory fuel pump relay.
      Yep that's exactly what i did, snipped the feed wire from the original relay and used it as the (earth) signal wire to a locally mounted relay which feed the pump directly...

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      • x6rs
        S2Forum Enthusiast
        • Dec 2010
        • 134
        • Country: Sweden

        #18
        Originally posted by S2central.net
        Ideally you want 0V drop between battery and fuel pump... Go with 2.0 or 2.5sqmm wire if you can - its normally a green/yellow wire on the H plug in the UR fusebox that you are interested in - if in doubt, buzz it out.

        I would seriously air test *every* aspect of boost control on that machine before presenting the WG chamber with vacuum !!!!!!!!!

        Have you checked that diaphragm is OK and bypass valve too ?

        I just read your first post again - are you sure the chips are correct for that turbo and injectors cos if they are expecting bigger injectors for high boost running at 5000rpm then the RS2 injectors could be simply maxxing out and unable to provide the desired AFR... weird though that its intermittent. Impossible for me to 2nd guess anything - I only know what my stuff does, also with some enhancements to OBD code so I can log WTF is happening on things like that.

        If I was you - would not drive that thing hard until problems are cured !

        The H plug? sorry im swedish dont really understand what you mean?

        the chipset is made for rs2 injectors.
        the diafragm is ok, the wastegate has onlyh seen 15 000km´s since new.
        same with bypass valve, and its not an OEM bypass, i think its from forge motorsport, not a cheap china-made one.

        yea its really strange, first time it happened it was because i had to little fuel in the tank so at wot in 2nd pump sucked air, filled her up and problem solved, then the next day it started again but with half full tank...

        i wont try to get the boost up until i can make it run normal of course, but worst case scenario drop the boost to say 1bar and keep an eye on the lambda reading if i go higher than 5k rpms

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        • x6rs
          S2Forum Enthusiast
          • Dec 2010
          • 134
          • Country: Sweden

          #19
          im a total noob about electrics so how do i connect it to the batteri in detail? take the feed line to pump and put it were?

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #20
            'H' plug is referenced on page 9 of this - http://www.s2central.net/S2_Schemati...tic_Primer.pdf - same fusebox on UR - its is H87F for the fuel pump wire if you want to access it from there.

            Stupid question - have you reset / unplugged the ECU since the fault first occurred ?
            Paul Nugent
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            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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            • S2central.net
              Retired OG Mod
              • Jul 2003
              • 16590
              • Country: Northern Ireland

              #21
              on the fuel pump relay upgrade question - search the forum for a sticky on that too !
              Paul Nugent
              Webmaster http://S2central.net
              Administrator http://S2forum.com

              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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              • x6rs
                S2Forum Enthusiast
                • Dec 2010
                • 134
                • Country: Sweden

                #22
                okok

                not a stupid quaetsion, im stupid sometimes(too often) so no questions are stupid

                i have a main switch for the battery power but i have not tried driving it since i switched it off, so maybe its ok now

                what sensors should i take a look at tomorrow do you think? preparing a check list for tomorrow now, thanks guys

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                • newsh
                  S2Forum Obsessed
                  • Aug 2003
                  • 16226
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  Ur quattro is so easy to do the relay mod, I picked up 2 volts extra at the pump on mine



                  or this one

                  How to re-wire a fuel pump off a relay to upgrade fuel pump voltage for max performance and efficiency and pull more current and amperage for better flow

                  S2 Coupe 3B Project


                  Ur quattro restoration

                  S2 Avant

                  Boost is the new rock and roll!
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                  • x6rs
                    S2Forum Enthusiast
                    • Dec 2010
                    • 134
                    • Country: Sweden

                    #24
                    Originally posted by newsh
                    Ur quattro is so easy to do the relay mod, I picked up 2 volts extra at the pump on mine



                    or this one

                    http://www.enginebasics.com/Advanced...p%20relay.html
                    2volts??? man thats alot! thank you so much for the guides

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                    • x6rs
                      S2Forum Enthusiast
                      • Dec 2010
                      • 134
                      • Country: Sweden

                      #25
                      so now i have tested the relay mod, easy to do but didnt solve the problem, sure it runs a little richer but not enough, still very lean on high rpms.... where i saw 15 i now see ca 14.5 AFR

                      the pump is quite noisy so i guess i have to buy another one, anyone know a pump that fits bolt on? bosch 044 maybe?

                      and do i have to remap if i go for a beefier pump?

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                      • S2central.net
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 16590
                        • Country: Northern Ireland

                        #26
                        No remap for bigger better pump required. If that is original pimp then it is just maybe tired out. Either flow test it at say 5bar or whack in a new s2/rs2 or 044 pump.
                        Paul Nugent
                        Webmaster http://S2central.net
                        Administrator http://S2forum.com

                        1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                        2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                        2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                        Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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                        • x6rs
                          S2Forum Enthusiast
                          • Dec 2010
                          • 134
                          • Country: Sweden

                          #27
                          Originally posted by S2central.net
                          No remap for bigger better pump required. If that is original pimp then it is just maybe tired out. Either flow test it at say 5bar or whack in a new s2/rs2 or 044 pump.
                          yea i will use a bosch 044 probably, but i just got to find one tomorrow, going to make some calls and see if its possible, im going to norway for gatebil on thursday so i must find one near my town or else im f'cked.... so maybe some calls and maybe i take the daily for a spin if i find one not too far away... i heard that the 044 is almost bolt on on an urq s2/s4 have their pumps in the tank unlike the urquattro...

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                          • x6rs
                            S2Forum Enthusiast
                            • Dec 2010
                            • 134
                            • Country: Sweden

                            #28
                            first call i made when i woke up i found a pump! almost couldnt sleep last night because of the pump issue so feels really good

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                            • S2central.net
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 16590
                              • Country: Northern Ireland

                              #29
                              Yeah - its an external version of the 044 for UR
                              Paul Nugent
                              Webmaster http://S2central.net
                              Administrator http://S2forum.com

                              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                              There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                              • x6rs
                                S2Forum Enthusiast
                                • Dec 2010
                                • 134
                                • Country: Sweden

                                #30
                                mounted the 044 pump, no difference besides it runs richer on idle, still lean on high rpms.....BUT! then i changed Maf to a new one i had in my garage and then the afr readings were normal on high rpms, so now the problem is solved tank you everyone!

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