original fitment wastegate upgrade

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  • Rocco
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Aug 2007
    • 6393
    • Country: Spain

    #1

    original fitment wastegate upgrade

    Hi guys, i need to buy a new wastegate and i would like to have something better than the original,but i would like to keep the original 4 bolt fitment.... if is possible because i really dont know if there is or not


    if not i will have to try rebuild one of my spare wastegates

    any suggestion?
    RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
    BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
    LWB Audi Sport Quattro project
  • cooperquattro
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Jan 2011
    • 815
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    i would like an answer to this as it is very old now and i have had a failure before

    i dont want to modify the downpipe either,so stock location and fitment

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    • Rocco
      S2Forum Zealot
      • Aug 2007
      • 6393
      • Country: Spain

      #3
      Originally posted by cooperquattro
      i would like an answer to this as it is very old now and i have had a failure before

      i dont want to modify the downpipe either,so stock location and fitment
      i know more than the 50% os S2 with wastegates failures....i think it is normal as we have lots of kms done....and the things goes worse whem we have our cars mapped
      RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
      BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
      LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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      • Rocco
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Aug 2007
        • 6393
        • Country: Spain

        #4
        look this




        stock fitting points?

        bigger and better ¡¡
        could be an option....
        RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
        BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
        LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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        • Bram
          S2Forum Fiend
          • Aug 2006
          • 2582
          • Country: Netherlands

          #5
          that 034ms component looks to be a nice upgrade

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          • JP
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Mar 2007
            • 1858
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            The restriction is still the hole in the exhaust manifold so flows only a tiny bit better than stock and mainly because the flexi.

            Personally I'd buy a new diaphragm for the stock unit. Lot cheaper option.
            UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

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            • Jamo
              Retired OG Mod
              • Mar 2004
              • 21750
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              The 034 is a good option any vband wastegate can be made to fit with similar mods. I'd ditch the stock audi wastegate it really is old tech compared to modern wastegates

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              • Rocco
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Aug 2007
                • 6393
                • Country: Spain

                #8
                Originally posted by RWD19T
                The restriction is still the hole in the exhaust manifold so flows only a tiny bit better than stock and mainly because the flexi.

                Personally I'd buy a new diaphragm for the stock unit. Lot cheaper option.
                the problem is not the diaphragm....the problem is the wear inside the piston
                RED Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 16 of 250
                BLACK Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution VI TME nº 189 of 250
                LWB Audi Sport Quattro project

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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  and the fact they don't seal

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                  • europeanme
                    S2Forum Possessed
                    • Oct 2005
                    • 3817
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JP
                    The restriction is still the hole in the exhaust manifold so flows only a tiny bit better than stock and mainly because the flexi.

                    Personally I'd buy a new diaphragm for the stock unit. Lot cheaper option.
                    I've had a quick browse through your project pages and is this still the case or have I missed something?...

                    sorry for the hijack Rocco....

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                    • JP
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 1858
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Still case see pm.

                      The guides can wear on them which can be replaced. The valves and valves seats reprofiled and cleaned for improved flow and porting done on the exit port. Mines got 209,000miles on it functioning fine without guide replacement. Soon it will be going to a new home along with turbo and manifold.

                      The biggest issue with the stock unit is the 34mm manifold hole hoes down to a smaller hole inside the flexi which is directional and crucial its fitted the right way round.
                      UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

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                      • europeanme
                        S2Forum Possessed
                        • Oct 2005
                        • 3817
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Originally posted by JP
                        Still case see pm.

                        The guides can wear on them which can be replaced. The valves and valves seats reprofiled and cleaned for improved flow and porting done on the exit port. Mines got 209,000miles on it functioning fine without guide replacement. Soon it will be going to a new home along with turbo and manifold.

                        The biggest issue with the stock unit is the 34mm manifold hole hoes down to a smaller hole inside the flexi which is directional and crucial its fitted the right way round.
                        cheers for the PM....and your planning an even bigger turbo!!!...

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                        • |Maku|
                          S2Forum Addict
                          • Apr 2005
                          • 248
                          • Home: Estonia

                          #13
                          Originally posted by JP
                          The restriction is still the hole in the exhaust manifold ..
                          Anybody knows what size is Wagner's Evolution manifold wastegate outlet? Bigger than original? And original is 34 mm?


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                          • Jamo
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Mar 2004
                            • 21750
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            The hole is 1.5 inches and I think from my experience it's poppycock that this is the restriction unless you are approaching 600 bhp even then bolt on a 40 or 44mm tial or turbosmart wastegate and you'd had no issues.

                            The restriction on a stock wastegate is the outlet flexi pipe. Remove that and replace it with a proper flexi and it will work a lot better.


                            Remember the wastegate is only to bypass gas for boost control, you make the outlet for the wastegate big you have problems with finite boost control hence the size is fine with a decent wastegate

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                            • |Maku|
                              S2Forum Addict
                              • Apr 2005
                              • 248
                              • Home: Estonia

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Jamo
                              The hole is 1.5 inches and I think from my experience it's poppycock that this is the restriction unless you are approaching 600 bhp even then bolt on a 40 or 44mm tial or turbosmart wastegate and you'd had no issues.

                              The restriction on a stock wastegate is the outlet flexi pipe. Remove that and replace it with a proper flexi and it will work a lot better.
                              1. So both original and Wagner's manifold wastegate outlet are 38 mm (1,5")?
                              2. What is original wastegate inlet and outlet diameter?
                              3. Is there a restriction inside of the wastegate (I mean maybe inlet and outlet are 38 mm but there's a bottleneck inside).
                              4. Original flexy goes down to what diameter inside?
                              5. Some say that original wastegate valve is 34 mm, so wastegate inlet and outlet is probably the same?
                              6. Also some say that original wastegate is 30 mm?

                              Damn, I have couple of them in my country place, so have to measure them.

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