Fitting new lifters / tappets

[RichLV]

Andy you can squeeze them out in a vice to make them all soft if it gives you more confidence. it will just clatter a bit more on first start up..

Agree. I just threw in new lifters, lubricating them with engine oil for easier install. They will clatter until oil gets pumped up into them and that's it. Off you go.

[edge_devil]

I've replaced all 20, but whoever had the engine before me seems to have possibly removed one of the old ones with a screwdriver, I can see hints of damage at the top of the tappet bores and that one tappet doesn't like turning once installed, the rest all turn freely.

I'm probably going to regret asking the question, but can you get the tappet bores honed/machined and does anyone know a machine shop I Can trust y head with?

[edge_devil]

Agree. I just threw in new lifters, lubricating them with engine oil for easier install. They will clatter until oil gets pumped up into them and that's it. Off you go.

How long until they are clatter free? 5-10,20 minutes at 2k RPM ?

[SteveH]

You can remove any local high spots caused by the previous owner with some fine wet and dry, obviously making sure you clean the head well after to remove any abrasive. I don't think you can get oversized lifters and if you got some from another motor, you would have to ensure the total height was spot on. Probably best just to fix the localised damage.

[RichLV]

How long until they are clatter free? 5-10,20 minutes at 2k RPM ?

20 minutes only on idle.


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[Thuppu]

Yes, there is 0,5mm oversize lifters available from INA(420004010), but the price totally freaking absurd. When you can get stock size for under 4e/piece, these are 30e/piece. One small scratch in the lifter bore won't do anything. Just smooth it out little bit if the lifter sticks.

[Rusty]

I turned the engine over by hand first to make sure nothing was hitting and then fired it up. The oil needs to heat up before they shut up, so as above, 15 mins on idle just about does it.

[edge_devil]

Cool, thanks for the responses.

I've rebuilt and run it up for 5 minutes but because of that sticky tappet I've ordered a few spares and I'll replace it and clean the bore before I try again.

Looking at possibly head off for a clean up and polish of the camshaft, but I'll add that to my own thread if I get onto that!

[edge_devil]

While I'm here and I have your attention I may as well ask another question (2 actually) and they are related...

1) When removing just the inlet camshaft is it normal to have to remove the stud for the end cap to enable the lifting out of the cam (New chain so extra tight)
2) Why can't I get the two spots on the inside of the cam wheels to line up exactly, or rather I can, but then the camshaft aligning dot for the timing belt is misaligned. Does anyone have photos of their correctly aligned non vernier camshafts ?

Ta

[Thuppu]

Yes, the intake cam won't come out if the stud is not removed. Perfectly normal.

The timing spots are little bit off with stock cam gears. In fact the crank mark is a little bit off if you measure the real TDC. But of course you will be able to set it on the closest tooths with the stock markings.

[RichLV]

While I'm here and I have your attention I may as well ask another question (2 actually) and they are related...

1) When removing just the inlet camshaft is it normal to have to remove the stud for the end cap to enable the lifting out of the cam (New chain so extra tight)
2) Why can't I get the two spots on the inside of the cam wheels to line up exactly, or rather I can, but then the camshaft aligning dot for the timing belt is misaligned. Does anyone have photos of their correctly aligned non vernier camshafts ?

Ta

Confirming. Couldn't align mine perfectly as well. Off by approx half a tooth.


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[Rusty]

RS2 cambelt setup is 1/2 a tooth out (cam wheel mark to the left when viewed from the front). This is not an issue on an ABY/AAN running RS2 cambelt setup

[LHD_Kid]

I'm also looking at replacing tappets. My new INA ones with around 3, 000 miles are rattling badly on 2 cylindets.

Having spent hours looking into this, am I right in saying that ALL new type lifters do not have the large oiling hole in them... meaning it doesn't really make any difference what you get? OEM INA, although still not great, are as good as you can buy?

[edge_devil]

Thanks All, I may drop some photos into this thread for others to see....