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  • chiefmechanic
    S2Forum Enthusiast
    • Mar 2008
    • 198
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Mot fail for emissions

    Took the s4 for mot today. Bought it last year and only getting it to mot now. Has been parked since 2008. Failed on emissions. CO at idle was 1.990 and HC was 3380. The engine is an AAN with an MTM chip, rs2 exhaust manifold, a stainless steel exhaust without cats and a k&n panel filter in the air box. Where do I start looking to get the numbers down.
  • prj
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    • Mar 2010
    • 6308
    • Country: Estonia

    #2
    It's never going to lawfully pass catless.
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    • Rusty
      Super Moderator
      • Jun 2004
      • 18953
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      From memory, without a cat, you should be down around 0.75% CO. SO you're miles off! 3880 HC is pretty terrible too, you'd expect less than 500 on a car running properly.

      Pull the codes and see what's up. Sounds like it might be in warmup mode or running the wrong injectors maybe...
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      • UrS4boy
        S2Forum Obsessed
        • Feb 2006
        • 11859
        • Country: Canada

        #4
        Originally posted by chiefmechanic
        Took the s4 for mot today. Bought it last year and only getting it to mot now. Has been parked since 2008. Failed on emissions. CO at idle was 1.990 and HC was 3380. The engine is an AAN with an MTM chip, rs2 exhaust manifold, a stainless steel exhaust without cats and a k&n panel filter in the air box. Where do I start looking to get the numbers down.
        Here kitty, kitty. Nice kitty.

        That and new plugs and air filter, fresh fuel and an oil change.

        Then only go for your MOT test if the car has been run hard and the coolant temps are up.

        On a related note before any of the above, you might want to check or replace your G62 ECU coolant temp sender (if bad it will cause the ECU to run the engine rich which would result in at least higher hydrocarbons (especially with no cats) and possibly higher carbon monoxide as well).

        G62 info: http://forums.quattroworld.com/s4s6/msgs/20985.phtml
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        • johne
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Apr 2007
          • 1405
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #5
          Originally posted by UrS4boy

          Then only go for your MOT test if the car has been run hard and the coolant temps are up.
          That's not going to help, he's got no cats to warm up.

          John

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          • chiefmechanic
            S2Forum Enthusiast
            • Mar 2008
            • 198
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Mot fail on emissions.

            CO is no problem as due to age and test limits it is allowed to run up to 3.5% vol or less. 1.990 is high though. I am also allowed 1200ppm so i need to get the numbers down from 3380. I have a 20v ur quattro with an rr engine and no cats and it runs at 0.5% vol. The HC is he problem.
            Last edited by chiefmechanic; 19 September 2013, 21:59.

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            • johne
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Apr 2007
              • 1405
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Originally posted by chiefmechanic
              CO is no problem as due to age and test limits it is allowed to run up to 3.5% vol or less.
              but only if it was first used before 31 July 1995? If yes, HC can be up to 1200ppm.

              John

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              • chiefmechanic
                S2Forum Enthusiast
                • Mar 2008
                • 198
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Mot fail

                Yes. 1st registration 1993. oil changed and air filter checked. K&n panel filter in the air box fitted

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                • UrS4boy
                  S2Forum Obsessed
                  • Feb 2006
                  • 11859
                  • Country: Canada

                  #9
                  Originally posted by chiefmechanic
                  Yes. 1st registration 1993. oil changed and air filter checked. K&n panel filter in the air box fitted
                  There's your problem. K&N filter.

                  That and no cats (don't care about your rr Urq story, that is not the car in question) and not checking that the G62 is working properly.
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                  • newsh
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                    • Aug 2003
                    • 16226
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Originally posted by johne
                    That's not going to help, he's got no cats to warm up.

                    John
                    We have an old diesel VW LT van which only does a few trips to the beach every year, it will not pass emissions unless you thrash it about 5 miles down the dual carriageway and back then drive it straight into the test station while it's still hot.

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                    • johne
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 1405
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      As it's pre 1995 no cat is not a problem, just got to get HC below 1200. I don't understand why the K&N should be a problem with that?

                      John

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                      • johne
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Apr 2007
                        • 1405
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Originally posted by newsh
                        We have an old diesel VW LT van which only does a few trips to the beach every year, it will not pass emissions unless you thrash it about 5 miles down the dual carriageway and back then drive it straight into the test station while it's still hot.
                        mmm, I think diesel is the difference here.

                        John

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                        • chiefmechanic
                          S2Forum Enthusiast
                          • Mar 2008
                          • 198
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          Emission fail

                          Any idea which spark plugs I should use. Will the standard plug work well with a lightly modified engine. I tend to drive sedately with a minor thrash now and then.

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                          • caterpillar
                            S2Forum Fiend
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 2480

                            #14
                            have 40% full with gas, then fill E85 in....ca 10 liter

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                            • s2driveruk
                              Super Moderator
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 12696
                              • Country: England

                              #15
                              we dont have e85 here unfortunately - i wish we did for exactly that purpose
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