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  • Sleeper_Avant
    S2Forum Fiend
    • Mar 2009
    • 2372
    • Country: England

    #31
    i use PFR7B in most engines without issues, above 30psi i go PFR8B

    my AAN never had an issue in 2yrs on 7B`s with daily use and hard abuse

    everyone has their own choice and preferance though
    1993 URS4 Avant Emerald Green 350+bhp
    1991 Ford Sierra Sapphire 4x4 in Magenta
    BoooOOOSSSSSTTTT BANG BANG CHIRP CHIRP

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    • popdemonic
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Dec 2007
      • 1304
      • Country: Thailand

      #32
      Originally posted by GazzaG60
      0.7 iirc.

      way too wide out of box. probly me to be honest not trying harder at the time to gap them better.

      they were ok on cruise. didn't clog too much but on boost over 1.4bar were a bot iffy. ik's were poor on cruise. clogged in no time. on boost were great. stock plugs worked well all the time. when i went 1.6bar or so i started to get stutters at about 4500-5000. increasing the charge on vems sorted this out. up to 2 bar no problems and no coil issues. that on original stock coils.

      turbo size for me means no boost below 4500 or so.

      when i get the engine in the car ill see what happens again. hopefull before end of year.
      I regap my BKR9EIX about 0.5 working flawlessly on any boost level with E85.
      one of a few I5 from Asia.

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      • pasbogdan
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Sep 2009
        • 1160
        • Country: Romania

        #33
        Can anyone confirm that after installing new set of bosch f5dpor in the correct way(not dropping them in their place!!just using a telescopic magnet or a good spark plug tubular with rubber inside) ceramic got broken or the end/platinum broke?
        Thx,

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        • jameswkr
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Jul 2003
          • 538
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #34
          I posted many years ago a long saga about trying non standard plugs ( NGK coppers ). They were very good to start with, but lasted less than 1000 Miles. I read of the problems with the standard Bosch ( F5DPOR) plugs and installed NGK BKR-7EIXs just about a year ago; as recommended by one of our Forum Gurus. Motor instantly more responsive and nicer to drive. I have also re-gapped them down to 0.5mm and this (so far) has stopped any misfiring on moderate / high boost. ( Bosch plugs are not adjustable ). The car has also just passed all emissions tests for its MOT ( small gaps = less burn duration = more CO/HC ; theoretically(?)). I am also using Shell V-power...

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          • fundahl
            S2Forum Buff
            • Nov 2013
            • 44
            • Country: United States

            #35
            Originally posted by jameswkr
            I posted many years ago a long saga about trying non standard plugs ( NGK coppers ). They were very good to start with, but lasted less than 1000 Miles. I read of the problems with the standard Bosch ( F5DPOR) plugs and installed NGK BKR-7EIXs just about a year ago; as recommended by one of our Forum Gurus. Motor instantly more responsive and nicer to drive. I have also re-gapped them down to 0.5mm and this (so far) has stopped any misfiring on moderate / high boost. ( Bosch plugs are not adjustable ). The car has also just passed all emissions tests for its MOT ( small gaps = less burn duration = more CO/HC ; theoretically(?)). I am also using Shell V-power...
            thank you for your feedback. I feel they are excellent plugs.

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            • jameswkr
              S2Forum Maniac
              • Jul 2003
              • 538
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #36
              Do make sure you check the gaps out of the box. I think mine were 0.7-0.8mm ( way too big for our application ). Cheaper than OEM and delivered next day by sparkplugs.co.uk. Please let us know how you get on.

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              • 20Vcqdriver
                S2Forum Maniac
                • Jun 2007
                • 829
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #37
                Originally posted by PeteRR
                I've been using the NGK BKR7EIX Iridium plugs for the last 1000 miles or so.
                RS2+ spec, virtual daily driver. Seem fine so far
                Where did you get these that come with the m4 pin? Just bought a set of bkr7eix and they came with the larger pin connection that could not be unscrewed to reveal the pin....
                1986 Coupe q - 2281cc 3B, chargecooler, 2.75" exh & downpipe, ported head, water injection, CGR box, modified MD357 turbo, 440cc injectors, high power coil.
                2004 A4 2.5TDi convertible, re-mapped to 180bhp
                2011 A5 sportback 3TDi-Backbox delete, remap

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                • macspring
                  S2Forum Zealot
                  • Mar 2005
                  • 6371
                  • Home: Ireland Current: Wallis & Futuna

                  #38
                  What happens when you put in the NGK 7EIXs out of the box without altering the gap ?

                  Thanks.

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                  • 20Vcqdriver
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 829
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #39
                    Originally posted by macspring
                    What happens when you put in the NGK 7EIXs out of the box without altering the gap ?

                    Thanks.
                    Misfires once past 21psi on mine.... Were 8eix though...
                    1986 Coupe q - 2281cc 3B, chargecooler, 2.75" exh & downpipe, ported head, water injection, CGR box, modified MD357 turbo, 440cc injectors, high power coil.
                    2004 A4 2.5TDi convertible, re-mapped to 180bhp
                    2011 A5 sportback 3TDi-Backbox delete, remap

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                    • 20Vcqdriver
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Jun 2007
                      • 829
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #40
                      Originally posted by Sleeper_Avant
                      i use PFR7B in most engines without issues, above 30psi i go PFR8B

                      my AAN never had an issue in 2yrs on 7B`s with daily use and hard abuse

                      everyone has their own choice and preferance though
                      Looked at getting some PFR7B's but not been able to locate any that have the terminal that can be removed to allow the M4 thread to be used on our leads, Where you get yours from
                      1986 Coupe q - 2281cc 3B, chargecooler, 2.75" exh & downpipe, ported head, water injection, CGR box, modified MD357 turbo, 440cc injectors, high power coil.
                      2004 A4 2.5TDi convertible, re-mapped to 180bhp
                      2011 A5 sportback 3TDi-Backbox delete, remap

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                      • K Simmonds
                        S2Forum Zealot
                        • Dec 2007
                        • 7627
                        • Country: Wales

                        #41
                        I re-gapped the BKR8IX's down to 0.6 mm and found they started fouling if the car was left idling so I ordered a set of Denso PK22PR8 copper cored plugs from my local factors, they were the only plug they stocked that was recommended by the manufacturer for an S2.

                        Left the gap how they came out of the box at approx 0.75 mm and they performed perfectly yesterday and didn't foul up when the car was idling for over half an hour during the MOT on Wednesday.

                        However they were expensive at nearly a tenner each trade price and being copper cored may not last long.

                        I also suspect the NGK's fouled up due to a defective plug or heavy handed gaping on my part as it was always the same plug, confirmed when I tried it in another cylinder.
                        Last edited by K Simmonds; 29 November 2013, 08:58.
                        1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
                        1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
                        1994 MTM RS2.
                        1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
                        2000 B5 TQS.

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                        • EspenW
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 1534
                          • Country: Norway

                          #42
                          New F3CS gapped to 0.45mm worked perfectly yesterday at 2.2bar peak boost on E85.
                          1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
                          1994 80E Avant
                          1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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                          • treebirch
                            S2Forum Addict
                            • May 2014
                            • 244
                            • Home: United Kingdom Current: France

                            #43
                            I have just taken delivery of some NGK PFR7B plugs and was just starting to change them over when I noticed that they will sit somewhat deeper into the combustion chamber than the Bosch plugs that I would like to change out. My car is a '94 RS2, as far as I know the head has never been removed so standard compression/head gasket.

                            Does anyone have any experience of this?
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                            • mike74
                              S2Forum Maniac
                              • Apr 2014
                              • 615
                              • Country: Scotland

                              #44
                              I have these installed on my standard S2 without any problem so they should be fine

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                              • treebirch
                                S2Forum Addict
                                • May 2014
                                • 244
                                • Home: United Kingdom Current: France

                                #45
                                Originally posted by mike74
                                I have these installed on my standard S2 without any problem so they should be fine
                                http://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct...02480589947444
                                Thanks Mike, is the CR the same on the S2 as the RS2?

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