10v turbo or wait for 20v

[Vinny]

Hi folks it's a while since I've posted anything on here so here goes, ive got a 3b 10v n/a and desperately in need of more power and don't have never ending funds, so I've been thinking about going down the 10v turbo route is this wise or should I take my time and save up for a 20v. only I am wanting to start buying bits and bobs and need to start making a shopping list and stick to it.i would like to eventually be knocking on the door of 400bhp. advice would be greatly received.

[K Simmonds]

Having embarked and then ran away from a 10VT conversion I would go for a 20VT for ease of obtaining that 400BHP. I'm not knocking the 10VT motors just their CIS injection system which is pretty pants on an NA car let alone a blown one, one you factor in the cost of a standalone ECU on a 10VT you could have purchased the parts to go 20VT.

[Vinny]

So that's one vote for 20v cheers
Would you go 2.5 diesel bottom end or not, also aby or ann?

[AndyD]

I agree with Kit, hang on for a 20vT as it will cost you less in the long run to reach your 400hp goal. What is your car actually as I don't know of a 3b 10v, if it's a B3 2.3 (NG) Quattro then go with 20vT but if it's a 2wd then I wouldn't do anything with it as anything more than 200hp will be a pain in the backside to drive.

Just my 2cents..

[K Simmonds]

Hell I'd love to go for a 2.4/5 bottom end if I was doing a conversion from scratch, however it's a fair bit of extra money, pistons, rods, bearings, machine work, assembly etc etc etc. A good stock 3B/AAN/ABY motor is capable of 400 BHP with some simple bolt on stuff along with appropriate software/mapping, really though it makes more sense to buy an S2 than convert a CQ.

[Vinny]

Yeh sorry meet to put b3 2.3 n/a two votes for 20v then looking like the way to go .

[andy10v]

20vt.

A 400bhp 10vt is a lot of money, and fighting a loosing battle to get there.

If you are on a budget 400bhp build then stock aby engine + upgraded turbo, exhaust manifold, injectors, ecu, probably advisable; downpipe and intercooler. (plus all maintenance parts to get it in good order)

A chipped 20vt is 280bhp, RS2 spec is 360ish with bolt ons. Billet K26 from Iroz is cheap if you want more power.

Live map options are limited.

[Vinny]

Thanks Andy , three for 20v. is there any 20v turbo owners in or around Cumbria that I could meet up with to help me put a shopping list together and possibly get a better understanding of the way forward..

[Error404]

My 2c - it will be cheaper and better in the long run to buy an S2 to start with.
If I had my time again that is what I would do

[andy10v]

Aside from just buying an S2 and modifying it,

Cheapest way is to buy a smashed ABY, keep the engine, ecu, loom, downpipe, intercooler, crossmember, airbox and engine ancillaries etc. Sell everything else off the car and you should be able to make money (time/space being free). Also lets you swap side by side to see where everything goes.

Then buy upgraded parts as required.

Or buy all the parts individually, which will cost a lot more, and you are always missing silly little bits.

If you want a "cheap" 360bhp then buy an RS2 turbo, exhaust manifold, injectors and a chipset to match, £1500 or less if you get parts at the right price.

[Vinny]

Another vote for 20v cheers error.i know selling mine and getting a s2 would make more sense but I'm a bit attached to it now finally got the interior as i want it,and i like the older style front end..
I've been looking out for a damaged s2 but they are very very few and far between I'm pleased to say.

[chez]

20vt all day long

[Vinny]

Cheers chaz!

[Tonks4x4]

It's an absolute no brainer!!!
20vt all the way.

Generally the only + reason anyone can give for going 10vt is they sound better....

Also with your B3 car it is a direct replacement for the NG engine. Everything is plug and play and if you pull your finger out you could get one in and running within a long day


Tonks4x4 - The Land Rover Specialist

[Vinny]

That's it decision made cheers tonks better get some overtime in and start saving....