Disappointing Dyno Result

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  • jonnaz
    S2Forum Enthusiast
    • Aug 2009
    • 158
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #31
    Thanks Espen

    Yes standard Gearbox. looks about 21-23% transmission loss. I have leaned out the top end since this run, also tapered the boost as it makes no more power after about 6200 as the t3 exhaust to turbo chokes the engine it pointless trying to ram more air in.

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    • EspenW
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Apr 2007
      • 1534
      • Country: Norway

      #32
      Yep, looks like Dyno Dynamics apply a factor that usually works out to approx. 20% ish loss at peak power vs tests done on the road (depends on the rpm of peak power, the higher the rpm, the higher loss vs. flywheel, due to windage losses in the transmission, rolling resistance, etc). Around 15% loss at peak torque, so losses are not a fixed percentage due the beforementioned factors.
      The Dyno Dynamics numbers for various cars are based on testing on an engine dyno before testing on their rollers, so their numbers make sense.

      Would be good if you could do a pull with the new setup. Multiple pulls in each direction would make it easier to average the results.
      Safe testing place, of course.
      1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
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      1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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      • Billman
        S2Forum Freak
        • Nov 2004
        • 4129

        #33
        HX35 should make more power than HX35 Super as the first one has much bigger impelllers Both sides. Everz Stock HX35 features a 70/60 turbine impeller. Compressor side I have seen from 55mm-58mm inducer sizes on stock ones.
        Go Holset or Go RS4

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        • jonnaz
          S2Forum Enthusiast
          • Aug 2009
          • 158
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #34
          i will do a few runs with the new setup and send them to you Espen. Anyone know how to get the vems tune to output the csv file in separate columns?

          thanks

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          • Thuppu
            S2Forum Freak
            • Sep 2010
            • 4115
            • Country: Finland

            #35
            Friend of my just made 567hp/703Nm @1,75bar with custom HX35 Super with 60mm turbine and #8 hotside. 98 gasoline and no WMI.
            Last edited by Thuppu; 23 November 2014, 19:52.

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            • EspenW
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Apr 2007
              • 1534
              • Country: Norway

              #36
              Originally posted by jonnaz
              i will do a few runs with the new setup and send them to you Espen. Anyone know how to get the vems tune to output the csv file in separate columns?

              thanks
              Sounds great!
              I found an easy way to separate the columns, so don't worry about that.
              I assume that the weight of 1550kg including driver was off a weighbridge or similar and not an estimate?
              1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
              1994 80E Avant
              1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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              • Billman
                S2Forum Freak
                • Nov 2004
                • 4129

                #37
                Originally posted by Thuppu
                Friend of my just made 567hp/703Nm @1,75bar with custom HX35 Super with 60mm turbine and #8 hotside. 98 gasoline and no WMI.
                Probably it is not the Super35 KKD sells.

                Can you get the dyno and/config if he runs on VEMS?
                Go Holset or Go RS4

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                • Thuppu
                  S2Forum Freak
                  • Sep 2010
                  • 4115
                  • Country: Finland

                  #38
                  Originally posted by Billman
                  Probably it is not the Super35 KKD sells.

                  Can you get the dyno and/config if he runs on VEMS?
                  KKD sells the HX35 with the 54mm Super compressor and 60mm turbine but it has a #12 housing, my friend has the "Super #8" turbine housing machined to fit the 60mm wheel. It was made by ProTurbo in Finland.

                  Yes, he runs VEMS. I can ask if he wan't to share the configs. Here is the dyno vid(bad picture quality):


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                  • Settari
                    S2Forum Fanatic
                    • Jan 2011
                    • 69
                    • Country: Finland

                    #39
                    Originally posted by Thuppu
                    Friend of my just made 567hp/703Nm @1,75bar with custom HX35 Super with 60mm turbine and #8 hotside. 98 gasoline and no WMI.
                    Can you say Thuppu, other specs of this car? Lot of power with a small turbo.

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