Correct AFR

Collapse
X
 
  • Time
  • Show
Clear All
new posts
  • HMS-S6
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jan 2010
    • 1164
    • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

    #46
    I've learnt recently that 'kind of' doesn't cut it on these cars. Pop it all back together and pressure test the whole system. Well worth doing. I thought mine was leak free as I'd changed most parts but found 5 small leaks and one of call a 'medium' leak. Until it's proved to be leak free is not look elsewhere.

    Comment

    • domas
      S2Forum Addict
      • Oct 2014
      • 307
      • Country: Lithuania

      #47
      i agree about that.

      What do I have to block off? throttle body or let the IM take the pressure?
      And intake boot at MAF?

      Comment

      • andy10v
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Mar 2009
        • 5996
        • Country: Scotland

        #48
        Disconnect CCV to maf hose, and bung the maf hose, pressure test from the maf hose through the whole intake including manifold.
        Current-2004 Impreza PPP wagon

        Sold-92 3B coupe-RS2+, 996s, konis, rear torsen, forged rods........
        Sold ABY-stock

        Comment

        • domas
          S2Forum Addict
          • Oct 2014
          • 307
          • Country: Lithuania

          #49
          CCV is PCV (breather pressure control) valve, right?
          Then why do I want to disconnect it? is there a particular reason breather is not tested? So you mean that I have to bung the hose @ huge maf connection (bottle works great here) then bung the disconected line to pcv, and apply pressure to MAF boot, where PCV line was?

          Comment

          • HMS-S6
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Jan 2010
            • 1164
            • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

            #50
            BecUse it will just blow out of the fitter etc. That bit isn't really supposed to have pressure in it. I did it up to 1 bar through the MAF hose then made one to go on the front of the turbo for higher pressure as I think the MAF hose would pop at more than a bar. Lol. Then use soapy water to find bubbles. Lol. It's not a high tech job really. Just time consuming as for mine I removed the trays and the front bumper.

            Comment

            • domas
              S2Forum Addict
              • Oct 2014
              • 307
              • Country: Lithuania

              #51
              oh, ok, I see what you mean now. So block off breather pipe and give some pressure to the turbocharger directly, but what about blow off valve? Isn't it supposed to leak pressure back to intake boot when the pressure is higher before TB than after it?
              I thought you meant that I need to blow to the intake boot anyway in the previous post.

              Comment

              • prj
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #52
                If your dump valve leaks with this test it's shot.
                http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

                Comment

                • HMS-S6
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Jan 2010
                  • 1164
                  • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                  #53
                  In the test I did straight into the turbo leaves the diverter valve connected. Once you've tested the MAF hose I prefered the direct turbo way of doing it but that's just me.

                  Comment

                  • HMS-S6
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Jan 2010
                    • 1164
                    • Home: United Kingdom Current: England

                    #54
                    Lol. Yeh there is that too!!

                    Comment

                    • domas
                      S2Forum Addict
                      • Oct 2014
                      • 307
                      • Country: Lithuania

                      #55
                      nein, my DV was checked many times, I have taken it out, and it was just fine. flipped it around to wrong orientation, no change, flipped it back.
                      So, prj, what lambda or afr values I expect at WOT with semi stock 3b?

                      Can a n75 valve get tired after 24 years of usage?

                      And yeah I guess if there is a boost leak the mixture should be more rich than normal, and if there is not enough fuel, then the opposite will be sen on wideband, right?

                      Comment

                      • domas
                        S2Forum Addict
                        • Oct 2014
                        • 307
                        • Country: Lithuania

                        #56
                        Ok, as I already hijacked the thread, so I will just continue doing it without any feeling of guilt I guess? ;-]

                        Boost drop videos:

                        Video with normal WOT acceleration:

                        Video with wot + LFB to keep rpms constant to prove that that is not the turbo that is getting weak at specific rpms:

                        Comment

                        • S2central.net
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 16590
                          • Country: Northern Ireland

                          #57
                          Seems like boost leak to me. Assuming 3B mixture at WOT is much like ABY then expect sideband O2 readings in mid 12 range. If you see AFR dipping much below that it (i.e. too rich) it would correlate with a boost leak (as MAF measure more air than was actually consumed).
                          Paul Nugent
                          Webmaster http://S2central.net
                          Administrator http://S2forum.com

                          1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                          2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                          2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                          Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                          There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

                          Comment

                          • domas
                            S2Forum Addict
                            • Oct 2014
                            • 307
                            • Country: Lithuania

                            #58
                            So it should be approx 0,85 lambda.. Lets see what I can find out

                            Comment

                            • prj
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Mar 2010
                              • 6308
                              • Country: Estonia

                              #59
                              Software is **** probably. If the RPM's are constant and it's doing this, it means it's overboosting and ECU is cutting all boost.

                              3B has a 200kpa MAP. Unless that's been changed it can't even see more than 1 bar boost. Not that changing it with random chips is a good idea.
                              http://tuner.ee - http://www.facebook.com/tuner.ee

                              Comment

                              • domas
                                S2Forum Addict
                                • Oct 2014
                                • 307
                                • Country: Lithuania

                                #60
                                no no - it started doing this out of the blue. Was okay before. I tried it with other good known ECU from ben swann with 3 bar sensor. It boosts to 1,6bar and then drops in the same manner 0,1bar /sec

                                Comment

                                Working...