92.8mm Crank for stroker

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  • PRY4SNO
    S2Forum Maniac
    • Mar 2009
    • 767
    • Country: Canada

    #16
    I have a 92.8 stroker in an AAT tall deck.

    After much research, I decided it was the way to go (largely) based on its favourable rod ratios. If I decide to rev high and often, it should (in theory) be reliable. However, by all accounts, the 95.5 crank is good up to 8,000 rpm.

    Considering the stock oil pump is good to 8,500 rpm, you're not gaining much with the unicorn crank. For me to consistently rev over the oil pump's capacity, I'll need to revisit the head with solid lifters, full valve train and go to dry sump for the oiling.
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    • JariP
      S2Forum Enthusiast
      • Jul 2003
      • 192
      • Country: Finland

      #17
      What limits the 95.5 crank to 8000rpm?

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      • diesel des
        S2Forum Possessed
        • Feb 2004
        • 3896

        #18
        Originally posted by JariP
        What limits the 95.5 crank to 8000rpm?
        Piston speed. The longer the stroke the faster the pistons move at any given rpm. 8 K rpm is around the limit on a stroker though the odd buzz past that is ok. A stock crank reaches the same limit at 8800 rpm. The 92mm crank is about 8280 rpm.

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        • JariP
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          • Jul 2003
          • 192
          • Country: Finland

          #19
          Piston speed doesn't mean anything. It's all about accelaration rates (or G's) and weight of moving parts. Force = Mass x Accelaration. The force acting on crank (due rpm) is greatest on TDC when piston changes it's direction, piston actually slows down to zero speed to change direction and reaccelerate. F= ma. From this equation you can see, that if the acceleration rate (=rpm's) goes up, to keep the force the same all you have to do is make the mass smaller. So just by using a lighter piston you can turn up the rpm's without changing the forces acting on the crankshaft.

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          • FCP-ENGINEERING
            S2Forum Enthusiast
            • Feb 2011
            • 173
            • Country: Lithuania

            #20
            For this reason we offer 159mm rods and low pistons with CH29mm.
            Audi S4 2.6 20V STROKER kkk26/27

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            • rynaqui
              S2Forum Fiend
              • Mar 2012
              • 2752
              • Country: Malta

              #21
              What are the benefits or otherwise of keeping the stock block and with shorter 144mm rods with the 92.8 crank?
              1996 S2 ABY Silver

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              • rxl
                S2Forum Extremist
                • May 2012
                • 1913
                • Country: Germany

                #22
                You don't have to modify the block just do a rebore. Everything is just plug and play. No custom belt tensioner required, engine mounts also don't require a modification as tall block has issues with the hood clearance.

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                • rynaqui
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Mar 2012
                  • 2752
                  • Country: Malta

                  #23
                  That was my biggest reason for keeping the stock block as I've heard of problems with the hood especially on custom intake manifolds.
                  1996 S2 ABY Silver

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                  • diesel des
                    S2Forum Possessed
                    • Feb 2004
                    • 3896

                    #24
                    Originally posted by JariP
                    Piston speed doesn't mean anything. It's all about accelaration rates (or G's) and weight of moving parts. Force = Mass x Accelaration. The force acting on crank (due rpm) is greatest on TDC when piston changes it's direction, piston actually slows down to zero speed to change direction and reaccelerate. F= ma. From this equation you can see, that if the acceleration rate (=rpm's) goes up, to keep the force the same all you have to do is make the mass smaller. So just by using a lighter piston you can turn up the rpm's without changing the forces acting on the crankshaft.
                    Excessive piston speeds cause ring and bore damage. Its a well known and understood issue in all engine designs.

                    But obviously lighter reciprocating parts reduce other stresses. I think it's fair to say any continual over 8 k rpm use on a stroker will shorten its life. Any continual use in a stock stroke engine over 8.5 k rpm will do the same.

                    At these rpms a dry sump and solid lifters should be used as has already been stated.

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                    • diesel des
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                      • Feb 2004
                      • 3896

                      #25
                      Originally posted by rynaqui
                      What are the benefits or otherwise of keeping the stock block and with shorter 144mm rods with the 92.8 crank?
                      This is generally a bad idea. The rod to stroke ratio is poor compared to 159mm rods in a tall block and so peak piston speeds are higher as are cylinder thrust loads.

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                      • FCP-ENGINEERING
                        S2Forum Enthusiast
                        • Feb 2011
                        • 173
                        • Country: Lithuania

                        #26
                        Normal combination as such goes from factory.
                        All 2.0 engines, also 2.5 5cylinder USA version.

                        Originally posted by rynaqui
                        What are the benefits or otherwise of keeping the stock block and with shorter 144mm rods with the 92.8 crank?
                        Audi S4 2.6 20V STROKER kkk26/27

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                        • diesel des
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                          • Feb 2004
                          • 3896

                          #27
                          Originally posted by rynaqui
                          That was my biggest reason for keeping the stock block as I've heard of problems with the hood especially on custom intake manifolds.
                          Just drop the engine on its mounts with spacers.

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                          • Error404
                            Super Moderator
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 19789
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            Then you have the space the subframe down, which dumps your roll centre towards the ground.
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                            • diesel des
                              S2Forum Possessed
                              • Feb 2004
                              • 3896

                              #29
                              On my Urs4 i used 10mm spacers and had no issues. But at that point you should have a dry sump pan and so have loads of room... 😀

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                              • urs4guy
                                S2Forum Enthusiast
                                • Dec 2007
                                • 192
                                • Country: United States

                                #30
                                I have a 92.8 crank for sale.



                                I've sold the rods so they are not for sale. Freshly polished journals by Jeff Gerner. Price is $1500 plus shipping.

                                Hap Maguire
                                303-475-6760
                                captmagu@gmail.com

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