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    I have had the head off my RR urquattro to fit a new head gasket and cambelt and am now ready to torque up the crank pulley/harmonic balancer bolt. 450nm of torque is way beyond the maximum of my torque wrench and I don't have access to a larger one. I could fabricate a torque extender but I think my torque wrench would break in this situation.
    As an alternative method of torquing up the bolt I have read that Audi issued a bulletin 10/93 for the ABY/AAN stating that 150nm + 180 degrees was acceptable. Since the RR and ABY/AAN bolt is the same part number, would this method be OK for the RR? My torque wrench will do 150nm and I have a 3/4 drive socket set and long bar to turn the extra 180 degrees. I also read that this is a common method used by quite a few other manufacturers.
    Has anyone else used 150nm + 180* on an RR or 3B?
    Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
    Rex

  • #2
    I've tried this before but never managed to get to 180°, despite a 3/4" breaker bar and a long extension! Never had it come loose either though
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    • #3
      I used that method on my AAN. No problems so far.
      '93 S4 Avant now back on the road complete with new shiny go faster bits.

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      • #4
        Used loctite and a 1" impact tool
        Its not going Anywere ��

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        • #5
          Originally posted by s2dk View Post
          Used loctite and a 1" impact tool
          Its not going Anywere ��
          Using impacts can result in shattered crank gears.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by s2dk View Post
            Used loctite and a 1" impact tool
            Its not going Anywere ��
            Did you use an impact gun to tighten it????

            We know it isn't good practice to use a gun as this is what likely damages the key on the pulley...
            Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird Turbo....undergoing major changes.....
            S2 Coupe... bit easier off the line...
            '03 ZX12-R daily hack.... lots of nice bolt ons...

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            • #7
              Im allso using terrys cranck sprocket

              Never had Any problems with it
              Or with usining inpact guns to tighten Them

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              • #8
                If using chef's pulley, then it is billet, whereas the OE ones are cast, then machined. Billet won't fracture, unlike cast in that situation, but I would still get it really well seated before attacking it with a gun.

                I made a crank locking tool, and have a loooong 3/4" drive bar, know my bodyweight and where to place it on the bar to get the right torque

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                • #9
                  450nm for me - my 75kg body weight on a 600mm breaker bar - job done
                  Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                  Indigo ABY coupé
                  Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                  • #10
                    If you wanted to get all technical about it, get yourself a spring balance, and some strong arm muscles

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Error404 View Post
                      450nm for me - my 75kg body weight on a 600mm breaker bar - job done
                      75kg... and I'm dating a 23 yr old supermodel...
                      Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird Turbo....undergoing major changes.....
                      S2 Coupe... bit easier off the line...
                      '03 ZX12-R daily hack.... lots of nice bolt ons...

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Error404 View Post
                        450nm for me - my 75kg body weight on a 600mm breaker bar - job done
                        am i plain wrong or you are supposed to use 6 meter long breaker bar in this case to achieve needed torque?

                        600mm is 0.6 of a meter...

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by domas View Post
                          am i plain wrong or you are supposed to use 6 meter long breaker bar in this case to achieve needed torque?

                          600mm is 0.6 of a meter...
                          τ = F x r

                          Symbols

                          τ = Torque
                          F = Force
                          r = Lever Arm Length

                          75kg @ 60cm = 441.29925 Nm
                          Honda CBR 1100XX Blackbird Turbo....undergoing major changes.....
                          S2 Coupe... bit easier off the line...
                          '03 ZX12-R daily hack.... lots of nice bolt ons...

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by LHD_Kid View Post
                            τ = F x r

                            Symbols

                            τ = Torque
                            F = Force
                            r = Lever Arm Length

                            75kg @ 60cm = 441.29925 Nm
                            I agree with everything apart from the fact that you use centimeters where you are supposed to use meters.
                            ---
                            wait what.

                            it is more like 75*~10*0.6M

                            **** never been so wrong in my life.

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                            • #15
                              Weird, was sure I wrote a reply to this....

                              1Kg = 9.8N, so...

                              75Kg * 9.8 * 0.6m = 441Nm.
                              Last edited by Bowie69; 9 February 2017, 12:01.

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