Audi s2 3b won't start PLEASE HELP

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  • Stealthacq
    S2Forum Enthusiast
    • Nov 2015
    • 137
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #121
    It could be possible they have spliced into it for an ignition live for something!?
    Al have a gander tonight.
    So if the ecu does not get a 12v input to pinout 37 is this why it stops injecting?

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    • Stealthacq
      S2Forum Enthusiast
      • Nov 2015
      • 137
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #122
      It seems to supply the injectors and its an ecu 12v input

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      • twoqu
        S2Forum Possessed
        • Sep 2003
        • 3103

        #123
        Is it 27 or 37 we are interested in?

        If you can firm up what you need to know I'll try and take a look later!

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        • Stealthacq
          S2Forum Enthusiast
          • Nov 2015
          • 137
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #124
          Sorry, it's says pinout 37 12v ecu input via s28 fuse am not sure if it goes from fuel pump relay 87a threw the s28 fuse then to the ecu or how it's wired
          Thanks again

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          • twoqu
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Sep 2003
            • 3103

            #125
            Pin 37 is the infamous holding relay which is where it gets a bit confusing. Read this:
            The Audi Enthusiast website. Forums for all Audis including A4, S4, A5, S5, A6, S6, allroad, A8, S8, TT, R8, Q5, Q7, 4000, 100, 200, v6, v8, vintage, local forums

            Its the same principle on all the ecus.

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            • twoqu
              S2Forum Possessed
              • Sep 2003
              • 3103

              #126
              So with ign on pin 37 feeds 12V to injectors directly and up to one side of fuse 28 which of course would be live all the way back to the relay contact 59. When you crank the signal should come from pin 3 to the fpr if the ecu is happy and that energises the fpr which then switch power to 87a back through fuse 28 to the injectors and pin 37!
              Its needed basically for the output tests with ign on and to provide the burn off for the maf after shutdown.
              Thats simplifying somewhat!
              I'll will check as best as I can bt that seems right!

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              • Mikes2
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Jul 2003
                • 1704
                • Country: Scotland

                #127
                All the wiring diagrams you need are on this link



                Fuel injection, fuel pump page shows pin 37 with a direct link to the injectors and also to D11 which is the switched +12v point in the front right wiring loom. this also branches to current tracks 16 and 35

                Fuel pump relay page shows track 16 and fuse 28. Track 35 goes to the MAF (G70) and some other components. All the wires are blue / black for switched +12v
                Mike

                http://www.s2-audi.co.uk

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                • twoqu
                  S2Forum Possessed
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 3103

                  #128
                  I am wondering if you have lost the feed from 87a to fuse 28 the other way which will be the other side of the fuse. That might account for why the voltage drops as it should be the fpr powering the injectors when you crank.
                  Anyway I'll see what I can determine factually.

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                  • Mikes2
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 1704
                    • Country: Scotland

                    #129
                    If he has, that's probably a fault within the fuse box, unless the carrier for S28 has dropped down and is shorting
                    Mike

                    http://www.s2-audi.co.uk

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                    • Stealthacq
                      S2Forum Enthusiast
                      • Nov 2015
                      • 137
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #130
                      Thanks guys got loads to smash at tonight Al be burning the midnight oil again lol

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                      • twoqu
                        S2Forum Possessed
                        • Sep 2003
                        • 3103

                        #131
                        Right Pin 37.
                        When I am refering to S28 I mean the rh side white fuse holder. When I refer to 1 or 2 contact its from left to right.
                        So Pin 37 goes through injector contact 2 to the S28 contact 1 (lh). The only continuity back to fpr 87a (59) is when there is a fuse in this position.
                        Fpr 87a (59) goes through S28 contact 2(rh). Again there is only continuity back to the injector and pin 37 when the fuse is inserted.
                        So thats why you could have power with ign on as its fed out of the ecu and not when cranking as it fed out of the fpr back to S28. As Newsh said it could be just a fuse or the contact 2 is not conected to the 87a terminal. If the fuse goes you stil have power at least with the ign on.
                        Last edited by twoqu; 30 March 2017, 14:26.

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                        • twoqu
                          S2Forum Possessed
                          • Sep 2003
                          • 3103

                          #132
                          Just in case its useful. My FPR is an (208) 8A0 951 253B.
                          Last edited by twoqu; 30 March 2017, 15:00.

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                          • twoqu
                            S2Forum Possessed
                            • Sep 2003
                            • 3103

                            #133
                            On an Aby the fuse box has a discreet 87a male terminal on the bottom. A female connector with 2 wires is fitted to it. One goes to S28 and the other S24. So I wonder if they have intercepted the S28 feed for the immo as clearly it would be an effective way of preventing the car starting! So perhaps that loose wire goes either to the S28 fuse holder or the 87a terminal depending on which side they cut. Would think the 3B uses a similiar if not identical set up.

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                            • Stealthacq
                              S2Forum Enthusiast
                              • Nov 2015
                              • 137
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #134
                              Had the relay box out and the 87a did not have a connection to it.
                              This very suspicious 2x blue cables into one must of gone to it so someone has snipped it for some reason
                              I connected it up and she tried to fire up and the voltage at pinout 37 stayed consistent.
                              Now she tries to start but back fires alot can you confirm the firing order is 12453
                              And the dizzy ht plugs start cylinder 1 at the start of the lowest plug?
                              So happy wer getting some progress now

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                              • twoqu
                                S2Forum Possessed
                                • Sep 2003
                                • 3103

                                #135
                                Yes thats the correct fring order. Can't remember off the top of my head the position of the leads!

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