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  • Pisobiker
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jul 2003
    • 1175
    • Country: Finland

    #1

    RS2 cam timing

    I've heard rumors about ADU engines needing the cambelt timing to be 1 tooth retarded compared to marks on crank and head cover to run properly. Rumours that say Audi did this and reported the mod on the later model's workshop manuals.....




    Anyone knows something about this?

    Thanks


    Marco
  • Jamo
    Retired OG Mod
    • Mar 2004
    • 21750
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    This is very true, seach the forum for AAH boost problems, which were all related to the RS2 cam timings.

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    • twoqu
      S2Forum Possessed
      • Sep 2003
      • 3103

      #3
      Originally posted by Pisobiker
      I've heard rumors about ADU engines needing the cambelt timing to be 1 tooth retarded compared to marks on crank and head cover to run properly. Rumours that say Audi did this and reported the mod on the later model's workshop manuals.....




      Anyone knows something about this?

      Thanks


      Marco
      I think this is it

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      • AAH!
        S2Forum Addict
        • Jun 2004
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        • Home: United Kingdom Current: Bhutan

        #4
        Originally posted by twoqu
        That is the thread.

        In short: on my RS2 and it seems a number of others, the cam pulley will only line up half a tooth plus or minus of the V mark. Half a tooth ahead of the V mark threw the car into limp home mode with a fault code of "cam sensor fault - short to positive" (even though the cam/hall sensor is not faulty). Half a tooth behind (anti-clock) of the V mark, things worked as they should do.

        Angus
        formally RS2 +

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        • twoqu
          S2Forum Possessed
          • Sep 2003
          • 3103

          #5
          Hi!,
          Does this have something to do with the water pump having more teeth or something?

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          • Jamo
            Retired OG Mod
            • Mar 2004
            • 21750
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Originally posted by twoqu
            Hi!,
            Does this have something to do with the water pump having more teeth or something?

            That seems to be the general opinion of the forum at present mate.

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            • Pisobiker
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jul 2003
              • 1175
              • Country: Finland

              #7
              Hmm....

              it still sounds strange to me Audi didn't fix the fact marks don't line up. I mean it doesnt't sound..... "German"

              If the problem was the ADU water pump gear being smaller (what I thought at first) then the timing would have needed to be "advanced" half a tooth....

              Do at least the two internal camshaft gear's "O" line up with the crank pulley marks?

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              • AAH!
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                • Jun 2004
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                #8
                Originally posted by twoqu
                Hi!,
                Does this have something to do with the water pump having more teeth or something?
                IIRC the water pump pulley is smaller on the RS2 and the sensor window on the cam pulley is slightly smaller and in a different postion than on the S2.

                I can understand why the water pump pulley is smaller,(so as to pump more water) but not why the cam pulley sensor window is different.
                formally RS2 +

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                • mastermind
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                  • Jan 2005
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                  • Country: South Africa

                  #9
                  Originally posted by AAH!
                  That is the thread.

                  In short: on my RS2 and it seems a number of others, the cam pulley will only line up half a tooth plus or minus of the V mark. Half a tooth ahead of the V mark threw the car into limp home mode with a fault code of "cam sensor fault - short to positive" (even though the cam/hall sensor is not faulty). Half a tooth behind (anti-clock) of the V mark, things worked as they should do.

                  Angus

                  This was the case with my RS2Avant, however I still have some boost problems on this car.
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                  • S2central.net
                    Retired OG Mod
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 16590
                    • Country: Northern Ireland

                    #10
                    This is an odd one - I've never seen it documented in all the Audi manuals that I have. Maybe there was a separate specific bulletin that covers it...

                    Paul
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                    • jade
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                      • Jan 2005
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                      #11
                      Hi i would like any info anyone has because i am about to change my belt tomorrow
                      and my car has been down on power since i got it , and still have not tracked down
                      the problem
                      Cheers Jade
                      RS 2 580HP

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                      • Pisobiker
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 1175
                        • Country: Finland

                        #12
                        Jade, what seems clear so far is while fitting the new belt in, given you have the mark on the crankshaft pulley aligned, you shouldn't be able to have the mark on the camshaft gear perfectly matching the V mark on the valvetrain cover.
                        In this case you have to fit the cam pulley so that its mark stay 2-3 mm left compared to the V mark on the valvetrain cover.


                        Marco

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                        • jade
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                          • Jan 2005
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                          #13
                          Thanks Marco i will take special note when i take her a part to see how it is set now
                          and will follow you instructions
                          Regards Jade
                          RS 2 580HP

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                          • jade
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                            • Jan 2005
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                            #14
                            Well my tomorrow turn in to a mouth , But i have now taken the car a part
                            Cambelts been changed , i think but not tensioner or water pumb
                            When i am faceing the car , looking at the cam mark on pully it is to the right of the mark on the cam cover , that is with the marks lined up on fly wheel & crank pully
                            AS i understand from Marco post it should be one thooth back so the cam pully mark is on the left side , is this correct ????
                            Thanks Jade
                            RS 2 580HP

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                            • porkkis
                              S2Forum Extremist
                              • Aug 2003
                              • 1994
                              • Country: Finland

                              #15
                              Yes

                              And what comes to the narrower hall plate gap I guess they want the timing to be more accurately set on the RS2. I guess..

                              The whole pulley mark issue is a bit strange as the pulley is unique for the ADU as the water pump is. This should mean that the smaller pump gear would not cause this. As Marco said the whole thing does not sound very "german".
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