Originally posted by Ski
atmospheric or recirculating?
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Because it deals with Waste exhaust gassesOriginally posted by SkiSo why is it called a wastegate and not a dumpvalve? sorry to ask the obvious, i have about 50 years of engineering evolution to catch up on
and the majority of them open like a gate.
Dump valves dump excess pressure in the inlet tract, post compressor, either to atmosphere or intake upstream of compressor as Paul already explained.
HTH
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Ok a wastegate is after the engine so to speak. It decides how much exhaust gas will go through the exhaust side of teh turbine and how much that will pass besides it. When your boost is reaching desierd levels the wastegate opens and lets some exhaust gas by the turbine. This lets the turbo keep a constant level of boost. Without the wastegate your turbo would boost untill it cant push any more air for some reason. This would something in the line of 2 bar or more. This would in turn lead to your engine going to bits and the turbo would probably be abit less lively to.Originally posted by SkiI think i will stick with my wastegate untill a "mechanics for dummies" book is released
A dump valve is something that is on the inlet side of the engine. When you close the throttle the air that is pushed in to the engine will go against a brick wall so to speak and has nowhere to go.
When the turbo cant push any more air into the very small compartment that is the inlet pipes it will stall. And it will be a violent stop to. This in turn is very bad fot the bearings and shafts that connect the exhaust and inlet parts of the turbo. A dump/pop off - valve is simply a valve that opens when the preassure in the inlet pipes reaches a certain value.
Because of this the turbo will be able to continue to spin and not do a total halt.
The difference between a recirculating valve and an atmospheric one is that while the recircualting will route the dumped air in the inlet pipes before the trbo again the atmospheric will just dump the air under the bonnet.
In that respect the recirculating one is better since it will spool the turbo abit.
Sorry for the bad english im from sweden so some words might be spellet badly.
Hope its abit clearer though.
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Ohh yea as for dummy books on engine there are a couple that are really good and prety easy to understand.
Forced Induction Performance Tuning: A Practical Guide to Supercharging and
ISBN: 1859606911
Maximum Boost: Designing, Testing, and Installing Turbocharger Systems
ISBN: 0837601606
Four-Stroke Performance Tuning
ISBN: 1859604358
MODERN ENGINE TUNING
ISBN: 1859608663
Turbochargers
ISBN: 0895861356
I would try and go to a book store and se if they have any of them and look through em abit to get the feelling for wich one suits you. Happy reading and dumping
Last edited by meep; 11 May 2005, 21:55.Comment
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pretty much, they both do similar jobs. The idea of the recirc part is that the air is fed back into the turbo inlet to help keep it spinning. So when you have selected the next gear you have less lagGreg
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If you mean the DV (dump valve, better described as the throttle bypass valve)
Then yes, it's open when not on boost.
Vacuum in the inlet manifold holds it open, jump on the go pedal and it snaps shut when the inlet see's boost rather than vacuum, shut the throttle and it opens again.
Drive off boost and it stays open.
Jas..2001 Avus Silver B5 RS4.
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Anyone has Experience with these valves? Is this design better than the classic "Forge Style" single Piston?
http://cgi.ebay.de/Turbo-Blow-Off-Po...QQcmdZViewItemGo Holset or Go RS4Comment
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Thats a HKS copy, with the recirc adapters. Probobly a good thing. Got to be better than a Bosch plastic christmas cracker effort!Anyone has Experience with these valves? Is this design better than the classic "Forge Style" single Piston?
http://cgi.ebay.de/Turbo-Blow-Off-Po...QQcmdZViewItem
Try it, its a good price!
Rob..
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87 UR 20v ABY
97 S6 Avant
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in this site you could hear many types of Blow off valves but the HKS SSQ has many different sounds from High pitch sound to low frequency shooting like.
I like this one:
Go Holset or Go RS4Comment
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I recently swapped my atmos DV on the scooby (dont look at me - it had one when I bought it) for a stock re-circ one and as much as the noise appealed to the 10-yr old kid inside of me the reduction in lag when shifting is massive so I'm much happier with the re-circ.Haynes Manual:As described in Chapter 7...
Translation:That'll teach you not to read through before you start, now you are looking at scarey photos of the inside of a gearbox.Comment
hard to decide. I like all these sounds but less lag is also a god gift.
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