MOT emissions Failure with a 200 Cell Sports Cat - Help!!

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  • Chris5044
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Feb 2005
    • 1663
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    After going to the tuners , this is the 2nd test =
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    • Antsa
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Nov 2016
      • 619
      • Country: Finland

      #17
      First results show some seriously rich mixtures and that is a direct cause for your high CO. Second results are an improvement over the first one, but it is still running rich.

      My first impression is that there is something wrong with your tune.

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      • Ian Simmonds
        S2Forum Fiend
        • Jun 2005
        • 2858
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        There's definitely something funky going on beyond the cat.
        Ours was tested at 0.20% co with actual value of 0.149%
        HC ppm max 200, with HC actual value of 0.44. That's with a single box, 3" Milltek downpipe back system and original Milltek sports cat.
        85 WR Urquattro, 85 20vT International liveried RallyRep
        93 MTMS2 Avant

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        • Tractor Dave
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Dec 2017
          • 6006
          • Country: Wales

          #19
          That's amazingly rich. Have you checked you oil to see if it's being diluted with petrol. The engine won t last very long running like this
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          • Chris5044
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Feb 2005
            • 1663
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #20
            Originally posted by Antsa
            First results show some seriously rich mixtures and that is a direct cause for your high CO. Second results are an improvement over the first one, but it is still running rich.

            My first impression is that there is something wrong with your tune.
            I went to the tuners , so I'm wondering why they havent flagged anything at all

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            • Chris5044
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Feb 2005
              • 1663
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #21
              I don't know what to do.

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              • Ian Simmonds
                S2Forum Fiend
                • Jun 2005
                • 2858
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                As it passed it’s MOT last year, if nothing has altered through modifications, I would ‘assume’ something has failed or is failing. What that is, I don’t know, but a decent engineer would be able to diagnose through the fault codes, telltale signs and experience fairly quickly. To go from MOT pass to those emissions figures in 12-months is a marked change…
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                • nw66
                  S2Forum Enthusiast
                  • Apr 2023
                  • 135
                  • Country: England

                  #23
                  The tune maybe


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                  93 ABY S2

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                  • Antsa
                    S2Forum Maniac
                    • Nov 2016
                    • 619
                    • Country: Finland

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Ian Simmonds
                    As it passed it’s MOT last year, if nothing has altered through modifications, I would ‘assume’ something has failed or is failing. What that is, I don’t know, but a decent engineer would be able to diagnose through the fault codes, telltale signs and experience fairly quickly. To go from MOT pass to those emissions figures in 12-months is a marked change…
                    I was thinking this too, if it has passed mot last year and nothing has changed since then, something must be failing. Are you able to get any fault codes from your ecu?

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                    • Tractor Dave
                      S2Forum Zealot
                      • Dec 2017
                      • 6006
                      • Country: Wales

                      #25
                      Agree with above. Now, be careful when you do actually trace the issue as the adjusted map from Emerald might leave you running lean which could damage your engine. You need to get the car to someone who understands these engines. Pete Berry at White cottage quattros is not far from you? Good place to ask.
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                      • newsh
                        S2Forum Obsessed
                        • Aug 2003
                        • 16226
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        Maybe lambda sensor has gone bad.
                        I've got a standard ECU here, with that on the car you could pull codes with Vagcom

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                        • K Simmonds
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Dec 2007
                          • 7633
                          • Country: Wales

                          #27
                          This does point at the Llambda sensosr. Surprised it's not a wideband.
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                          • Quattroking
                            S2Forum Fanatic
                            • Jan 2019
                            • 60
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            Just a bit of info for everyone, if you have a coupé registered on or before 1 august 1995 you can have a non cat test with much wider limits simply by sticking a ADU sticker on the cam cover.
                            The only engine listed in the ega database for S2 is 3b. So you can point that out to the MOT test inspector.

                            Here's a link to the inspection manual.

                            Inspection processes and rules for car, private bus and light commercial vehicle (class 3, 4, 5 and 7 vehicle) MOT tests.


                            All the info is listed under nuisance.

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                            • nw66
                              S2Forum Enthusiast
                              • Apr 2023
                              • 135
                              • Country: England

                              #29
                              Yes i have read that think my march 1993 ABY missis out but would be happy to be corrected
                              93 ABY S2

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                              • Quattroking
                                S2Forum Fanatic
                                • Jan 2019
                                • 60
                                • Country: United Kingdom

                                #30
                                As long as it's registered before aug 1995 anyone can use this loophole, I have a aby coupé registered April 93.

                                I fabbed up a v banded cat for the test but turned out I didn't need it.


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                                Very high flow cat on the left!

                                The stainless core cats really don't get up to temp easily and don't stay hot for long. And they really only work for about 6 months worth of driving before the matrix is not effective.

                                Ceramic core is what standard cats are made from and easily get to temp and stay hot but are easily damaged. Finding a 3 inch one was a challenge!

                                I'm based in Bournemouth if anyone wants help with this kind of setup just ask. It's all a hobby for me (out of my 1.5 car garage) so just paying for just materials and argon happy to help.

                                As to the problem here, any (more modern) standalone should be easily setup to run in closed loop fuel correction to stoic as a !TEMPORARY MAP! for MOT testing using any wideband / narrow band sensor.

                                Best guess here is bad lambda sensor, be careful of it running rich all the time. It ruins the engine oil fast, if the dipstick smells of v-power time to change even if it looks clean!

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