Wagner Exhaust Manifold v RS2 Manifold

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  • epic
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Jun 2007
    • 1317
    • Country: England

    #1

    Wagner Exhaust Manifold v RS2 Manifold

    What will I gain by running my GT 3071 with a Wagner Exhaust Manifold v an RS2 Manifold which I already have?



    Clearly the Wagner is an expense. £600ish about, but the RS2 (new 2 years ago) can be resold to offset the cost.
  • Rusty
    Super Moderator
    • Jun 2004
    • 18953
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    There are a few threads on this with flow bench figures, just have to search for them. As for real world, the Wagner is regarded as giving better flow so can allow higher bhp figures etc.
    Cheers'en, AndyC
    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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    • Billman
      S2Forum Freak
      • Nov 2004
      • 4129

      #3
      but at this stage, if you have gt3071 with .63ar then the restriction will be the turbine housing and not the rs2 mani.
      Go Holset or Go RS4

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      • madpugger
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Sep 2007
        • 1901
        • Country: Scotland

        #4
        So with an RS2 EVO EM would it make a difference which flange? With a 3071 .63? The .63 will spool up fastest?

        Thanks

        Le Mans 2012
        Nurburgring 700
        1995 S2 Avant

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        • epic
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Jun 2007
          • 1317
          • Country: England

          #5
          Thanks Billman:
          So no gain in having the wagner then?

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          • 90/90qs
            S2Forum Addict
            • Jun 2006
            • 244
            • Country: United States

            #6
            I have a 3071-R, I can tell you the Garrett flange is different from the KKK on the UrS4, and presumably the RS2(?). They are close enough that an adapter plate appears impossible. I ended up going with the Wagner with Garrett flange myself.
            A few shots in my photobucket album, but nothing highlighting the exact problem.
            http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii11/minipitt1/

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            • Jonnybravo
              S2Forum Fiend
              • Aug 2008
              • 2051
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              They do a Gt3071 with a KKK flange as I was going to order one from Vince at CR Turbos.

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              • epic
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Jun 2007
                • 1317
                • Country: England

                #8
                Yes mine has a KKK flange

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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Billman
                  but at this stage, if you have gt3071 with .63ar then the restriction will be the turbine housing and not the rs2 mani.
                  Well no as your at the bhp limit of the RS2 manifold with a 3071r therefore it is a restriction.

                  It is a better manifold period but the true gain with it is using the T3 flange with a Garrett turbo

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                  • madpugger
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Sep 2007
                    • 1901
                    • Country: Scotland

                    #10
                    So a .63 3071r with T3 vs same with KKK, is there a large difference? is the .63 the best version to get (i havent got the tirbo yet, just the T3 EM). I assume is give slightly less power but gives it earlier, is that right?

                    I hope I am not too off topic on this thread!

                    Le Mans 2012
                    Nurburgring 700
                    1995 S2 Avant

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                    • Jamo
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 21750
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Why do you think less power? Wagner has larger runners therefore it can support more bhp

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                      • madpugger
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Sep 2007
                        • 1901
                        • Country: Scotland

                        #12
                        I mean the .63 vs larger ar.

                        Le Mans 2012
                        Nurburgring 700
                        1995 S2 Avant

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                        • URSIMPO
                          S2Forum Addict
                          • Jul 2008
                          • 431
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          I have the GT3071 .63 with an RS2 manifold. While Mihnea was mapping my car, he said it was the exhaust wheel that was the restriction and a GT3076 would have been better with regards to keeping EGT at suitable levels. Although with the GT3076, he would of wanted the compression lower.

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                          • 4WheelDrifter
                            S2Forum Zealot
                            • Oct 2004
                            • 5773
                            • Country: Devon

                            #14
                            If the exhaust wheel was the restriction on the GT3071R, then changing it to a GT3076R would solve the problem, as they both share the same 60mm turbine.
                            SS

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                            • Rusty
                              Super Moderator
                              • Jun 2004
                              • 18953
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              Could it be a different trim turbine tho?
                              Cheers'en, AndyC
                              1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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