RS2 Porsche 968 MAF

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  • alg
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Apr 2004
    • 1160

    #1

    RS2 Porsche 968 MAF

    Just some advice. The RS2 came with a reciept indicating a MAF fitted end 2003. Detailed as Porsche 968 no 0280213017 (which corresponds to RS2 part no ) @ £170.
    Is this correct for car ( I assume so ) ?
    Can this be improved on with standard engine e.g use Sport Quattro (M5/928) MAF ?
    Is this a good price for RS2/S2 owners looking to replace/upgrade ?

    I have not dismantled it to comment on mesh configuration etc

    Oh and a final question, would a 968 turbo MAF be different/better/compatable?????

    Cheers in advance
    Alastair
    RS2
  • audiman
    S2Forum Freak
    • Jul 2003
    • 4827
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    SQ uses the best MAF, but its wiring is different, and due to it being so rare, no wiring diagrams can be found
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    • John Speake
      S2Forum Tinkerer
      • Nov 2007
      • 2
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #3
      Yes the SQ uses the same MAF as the 928. I can supply the wiring of the 6 way plug, which is different to the RS2 device.

      Then you would need to remap to the 928 MAF, which I know some RS2 people have done in America.

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      • S2central.net
        Retired OG Mod
        • Jul 2003
        • 16590
        • Country: Northern Ireland

        #4
        Alternatively, can the RS2 MAF be fitted to a larger tube... and then the ECU remapped to that ?

        Paul
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        • AndyP
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Feb 2004
          • 6049
          • Country: England

          #5
          Originally posted by S2central.net
          Alternatively, can the RS2 MAF be fitted to a larger tube... and then the ECU remapped to that ?

          Paul

          OMG, 'can of worms' springs to mind

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          • BRY
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Nov 2004
            • 3755
            • Home: United Nations Current: Vietnam

            #6
            Alternatively throw the maf in the bin and use an ECU which doesn't use one.
            Kingdoms are run by Kings, Dictatorships are run by Dictators.
            England must be a Country. :mischeif:

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            • 4WheelDrifter
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Oct 2004
              • 5773
              • Country: Devon

              #7
              Originally posted by AndyP
              OMG, 'can of worms' springs to mind

              http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showthr...ght=carbon+MAF
              Nicely dug up John Speake.

              Tekkno's carbon MAF tube.

              Audi Sport quattro, Porsche 928 and BMW E34 M5 all share the same MAF BTW, Bosch 0 280 214 001.
              SS

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              • pastures16
                S2Forum Fiend
                • Nov 2004
                • 2058
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                tell us more then
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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  I've actually held that MAF, was suppose to come home to Birmingham but it didn't.

                  I lost sleep for weeks

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                  • newsh
                    S2Forum Obsessed
                    • Aug 2003
                    • 16226
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Originally posted by S2central.net
                    Alternatively, can the RS2 MAF be fitted to a larger tube... and then the ECU remapped to that ?

                    Paul
                    Apparently thats really difficult, even Prof. Motronic baulked at that recently.

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                    • S2central.net
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 16590
                      • Country: Northern Ireland

                      #11
                      Originally posted by BRY
                      Alternatively throw the maf in the bin and use an ECU which doesn't use one.
                      Oh yeah as my uncle Tommy used to say - Just like that !

                      Paul Nugent
                      Webmaster http://S2central.net
                      Administrator http://S2forum.com

                      1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                      2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                      2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                      Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

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                      • BRY
                        S2Forum Possessed
                        • Nov 2004
                        • 3755
                        • Home: United Nations Current: Vietnam

                        #12
                        Originally posted by S2central.net
                        Oh yeah as my uncle Tommy used to say - Just like that !

                        How much would a "live" re-map be to use the big tube MAF?
                        How much would the big tube maf cost?
                        How long would it take Samco to produce the big tube Maf hose? :mischeif:

                        Uncle Tommy was right wasn't he?
                        Kingdoms are run by Kings, Dictatorships are run by Dictators.
                        England must be a Country. :mischeif:

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                        • newsh
                          S2Forum Obsessed
                          • Aug 2003
                          • 16226
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          Just read the whole of that "carbon maf tube debacle" interestingly, several years later, Mihnea still won't map a car with a MAF element fitted to a bigger tube than it was designed for, thats as of last week.

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                          • S2central.net
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 16590
                            • Country: Northern Ireland

                            #14
                            Is this because Bosch make it so damn hard to find accurate data on the MAF devices ?

                            You would need an accurate flowbench to plot the voltage output from a MAF residing in a custom / larger tube so as to characterise it properly... WIthout that you would just be in a land of guesswork.

                            From additional exchanges with the man from JDS he tells me that his flowbench runs at 12 nominal rates but does not provide an exact / accurate cfm measurement. Using a known fresh/healthy MAF builds up a voltage profile at those 12 speeds which is then used as the reference point for testing and calibrating other MAFs.

                            I have a cunning plan to see if I can calibration data from the JDS rig - but it might be expensive as it needs a reference MAF to provide a voltage that correlates to Bosch factory data for a reasonably accurate indication of airmass flow.

                            If we know the profile of MAF voltage to air mass then we have a pretty accurate indication of engine power at any given operating point on the engine. Watch this space - it might come to nothing - but its worth a rattle.

                            Paul
                            Paul Nugent
                            Webmaster http://S2central.net
                            Administrator http://S2forum.com

                            1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                            Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                            There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                            • Flat on my back
                              S2Forum Fiend
                              • Jan 2007
                              • 2449
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #15
                              Surely 'freedom of information rights' in the States could help on this matter?
                              Carlos.

                              On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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