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  • urq20v
    S2Forum Addict
    • Sep 2003
    • 218

    #1

    Original RS2 or Wagner EM

    I have an RS2 exhaust manifold and was interested in opinions on whether a Wagner cast EM is really worth purchasing for my target output (max) of 300kw.Other components such as the turbo,injectors and exhaust system have already been purchased,so the only variable would be the EM.I realise that from a design perspective,the Wagner flows better,but is there actually any appreciable performance increase to be had from the Wagner EM for my application?
  • Jamo
    Retired OG Mod
    • Mar 2004
    • 21750
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    At that power level, no it's not worth changing if you already have an RS2 item

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    • Bram
      S2Forum Fiend
      • Aug 2006
      • 2582
      • Country: Netherlands

      #3
      Maybe a few HPs to gain with the Wagner EM and 1 cylinder running hotter with the RS2 EM due to the 22mm obstruction in one of the RS2 EM runners.

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      • A80Avant
        S2Forum Obsessed
        • Sep 2005
        • 10873
        • Country: Greece

        #4
        but also maybe a tiny bit more lag with the EVO due to the larger bore diameters

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        • urq20v
          S2Forum Addict
          • Sep 2003
          • 218

          #5
          Thanks for the replies guys.As I thought too.While Im sure the Wagner EM is very good,at more than twice the price I paid for the RS2 EM,the gains are not worth the cost.

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          • DamianURS4
            S2Forum Addict
            • May 2010
            • 406
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            but they look nice - especially if you have the IM too lol....

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            • Jamo
              Retired OG Mod
              • Mar 2004
              • 21750
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              I concur, I have both IM and EM

              If your aim is 300 bhp and you have an RS2 item already no point in changing unless it's cracked or damaged at which point by the Wagner and not an OEM replacement.

              If your going to increase your power levels over time then it is worth doing now to a Wagner rather than having to remove the em twice. exhaust stud roulette anyone?

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              • veneto rs2
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Jun 2006
                • 1022
                • Country: Veneto

                #8
                Originally posted by urq20v
                my target output (max) of 300kw.
                300KW=408 bhp

                If it's not a mistake on typing better go with Wagner EM......
                http://www.audisportclub.com/

                http://www.s2forum.com/forum/vbgoogl...227295&zoom=16

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                • Jamo
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Mar 2004
                  • 21750
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Didn't notice it was in pesky european figures!

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                  • urq20v
                    S2Forum Addict
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 218

                    #10
                    Yes,my target power is 300 kilowatts.Sorry about the confusion.I guess the RS2 EM is closer to its limits at this power.

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                    • Jamo
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Mar 2004
                      • 21750
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      RS2 manifold is approaching max effeciency around 400-450 bhp at these levels I agree I'd prefer to use the wagner however I think my original status stands

                      If thats your overall aim and your not going to go for more bhp in the future it's fine, if you are then I would change it

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                      • GazzaG60
                        S2Forum Freak
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 4133
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        agree.

                        i reckon 400hp is a good time to move on with manifolds if your stil upping the numbers.

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