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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #106
    No wandering - runs straight as - even if tracking is causing tyres to scrub too much.

    Doing a service soon though - will do a good old bolt check though - can't hurt to be sure.
    Paul Nugent
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    • johne
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Apr 2007
      • 1406
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #107
      Originally posted by S2central.net
      False alarm - the car is still leaking... Good inch of water under the drivers seat after last nights rain. I am "this close" to repairing that ****ing car with a sledge hammer now. Totally at my wits end with it. Sure its 'only' 120 quid for a brand new door seal but I just have this horrid feeling that it won't be the cure. I've got silcone here, silicone there and everywhere I can get to but its still ******ed.
      Paul, I may have missed something earlier in this post, but are you sure it's the door seal? If you really did have an inch of water under the driver's seat that's more than could ever come in that way. My thought would be the 4 sunrooof drain channels. If they're blocked then the rain over all that surface area could equal an inch under the driver's seat.

      If all else fails you'll have to adopt the Lotus solution and drill holes in the floor. When I bought my Lotus Europa I found these holes in the floor so I filled them up. The next time out in heavy rain the passenger side filled up with so much water that my passenger got a wet bum!

      John

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      • S2central.net
        Retired OG Mod
        • Jul 2003
        • 16590
        • Country: Northern Ireland

        #108
        Show me where these sunroof drain channels are then... I've heard about them, but never found them.

        Also - why would water get past the sunroof seal in the first place ?

        Drilling holes in the floor has come to my mind - sad but true - seen it done on plenty old rally cars which have been bent once too often and were no longer watertight.
        Paul Nugent
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        • johne
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Apr 2007
          • 1406
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #109
          Originally posted by S2central.net
          Show me where these sunroof drain channels are then... I've heard about them, but never found them.

          Also - why would water get past the sunroof seal in the first place ?
          Quote from Bentley: "front water drain hoses are routed through the A pillars and discharge above the front door lower hinges"

          "Rear water drain hoses are routed through the C pillars and discharge into the water drain channel under the rear lid"

          Bentley also recommend you clean these drain channels out regularly from the top for the front and from the bottom for the rear using a 230 cm inner core from a speedometer cable - obvously not from one of our cars Finally found a use for my Europa - it had the longest speedo cable I've ever seen.......

          I believe the sunroof seal isn't designed to be or capable of being waterproof - it's primary function is to keep wind noise out. Water is caught in the tray under the glass and routed away down the drain hoses.

          John

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #110
            Mmmm - this is interesting then... ever chance my black sealant is blocking these channels then. IRK...

            This shows you what assumption can do - I always thought these infamous sunroof channels were to allow any water rolling off the roof to be caught into some sort of gutter while the sunroof is opened and safely away... Hence why you don't get a wet head if you open the sunroof after rain shower.

            Anybody got photos of where these rain channels are in real life - I could hunt out my Bentley book if it shows it correctly.

            Could it be one of my forward channels is blocked and that water is backing up and finding another way past the door seal ?
            Paul Nugent
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            • johne
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Apr 2007
              • 1406
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #111
              N/S door lower hinge and cable tube. The front sunroof drain outlet can be seen opposite the shiny bolt head.

              O/S rear sunroof drain outlet inside the hatchback recess.

              Sorry that pictures aren't great but it's dark, cold and raining outside at the moment!

              John
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              • S2central.net
                Retired OG Mod
                • Jul 2003
                • 16590
                • Country: Northern Ireland

                #112
                Cheers John... will have to investigate further now... and think of something suitable as a probe to clean the channels.
                Paul Nugent
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                1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                • S2central.net
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 16590
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                  #113
                  Just nipped outside to see the state of play and investigate the sunroof drains.

                  Firstly - still got water seeping in - apparent now at multiple locations on bottom of door seal. The application of more sealant yesterday has definitely altered the route the water now takes. I think that's good but not 100% convinced yet.

                  Secondly - the sunroof drain is clear to see when you peer in... Just never had to notice it before. I ran a long section of electrical cable down the tube and it popped out the hole that Johne showed last night - with no resriction or dirt of any significance. Ironically on the dry side of the car I was unable to route the cable all the way down the channel as it was snagging somewhere. Anyway - I carefully directed some streams of water down the channels and in both cases all the water spat out of the drain as per new found understanding.

                  So I've topped up the sealant inside and out again. As the thickness of this builds it must be greater a larger barrier for any water ingress as it sort of puffs out the seal a lil bit. Fingers X'd again. Rain never far away for another test.
                  Paul Nugent
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                  1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                  2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                  2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                  • s2driveruk
                    Super Moderator
                    • Jul 2003
                    • 12696
                    • Country: England

                    #114
                    Paul, just thinking out loud but my pugeot has a leak in the waterproof door membrain and that allows it to flood the floor easily if parked on the flat. wonder if the same issue is causing this on our s2 too?
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                    1992 3b S2 Coupe

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                    • S2central.net
                      Retired OG Mod
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 16590
                      • Country: Northern Ireland

                      #115
                      Never had my door trim off to look at this... Its a thought alright. Quite the puzzle isn't it ?
                      Paul Nugent
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                      2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                      2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                      • Davidsinclair05
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                        • Nov 2006
                        • 365
                        • Country: Scotland

                        #116
                        did you fix this or still searching for a cure?
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                        • S2central.net
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Jul 2003
                          • 16590
                          • Country: Northern Ireland

                          #117
                          David - your door seal arrived in tact. Thanks again for that - a true Gent !

                          Not had time to fit it yet, but I'm crossing all fingers & toes.
                          Paul Nugent
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                          1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                          2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                          2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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                          • Acidburn
                            S2Forum Obsessed
                            • Jun 2007
                            • 13459
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #118
                            Originally posted by s2driveruk
                            nevermind more fun choosing what to retrim some new recaro's in so all not quite lost yet

                            Keep the faith!

                            David
                            Btw forgot to mention, found some spare quattro cloth material if you want it mate, let me know and i'll drop it off to you rather than binning it

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                            • s2driveruk
                              Super Moderator
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 12696
                              • Country: England

                              #119
                              paul, did you solve this in the end? after washing it yesterday i saw mine coming in from the drivers side lower seal.....kind at the base of the b pillar. Seems the water is coming in over the seal somehow, real wierd.
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                              1992 3b S2 Coupe

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                              • S2central.net
                                Retired OG Mod
                                • Jul 2003
                                • 16590
                                • Country: Northern Ireland

                                #120
                                Mine still leaking - I have slowed it down considerably with a wonderful product from FROST called 'Creeping Crack Cure' - its a thin silicone stuff that seeks out small cracks and seals them - it has seriously improved the situation at the A-pillar but its not yet watertight.

                                I did also have some weeping at the B-pillar part of door seal and applied the wonderjuice in there too - it appears to have been successful there.

                                It is such a depressing fault - I'm resigned to fact no that I'm going to have to remove windscreen trim (inside & out) along with the door seal - that is the only way I shall be able to get any more info of where its coming in. I am not going to spend one more penny on the S2 until the water leak is cured properly.
                                Paul Nugent
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                                1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                                2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                                2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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