ZWBEG and ZWOUT

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  • prj
    S2Forum Zealot
    • Mar 2010
    • 6308
    • Country: Estonia

    #16
    Well, on the V8 the knock control is done by different chip and totally differently. One that does not use an external memory.
    So I don't know - I can't tell you, I never reversed this.

    On 2.3.2 the signal from the main processor is sent as-is to the knock processor and the knock processor simply sends it to the correct cylinder (solid state distributor) and introduces a delay into the signal when knock control requires it. This delay is logged with prjmod per cylinder to output knock data.
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    • Acki
      S2Forum Addict
      • Mar 2014
      • 302
      • Country: Germany

      #17
      At the moment I didn’t catch how the ZWOUT is impacted to this behavior.

      I can only guess. Need to spent more time to understand the code.

      I will investigate the second cpu binary too.
      I hope I don’t have to create communication between both CPUs to get a merged datalog..

      At the moment I’m happy how the engine is running.

      Next steps will be to read out the MCU, to check the schematics - possible one port is used for knock control on/off too and more testing with different fuel.

      One thinking is, ignition isn’t always knock limited, sometimes more advanced ignition produce less power - to find a was way to understand how much ignition is enough. Access to a Dyno isn’t easy possible. When do I improve fuel economy and when I worse it (part load).
      Full load I can check for the delta engine speed on the same road. Some full load pulls and I can check for the acceleration.
      At constant load I have to think about if load and tps are a proper way...

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      • prj
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Mar 2010
        • 6308
        • Country: Estonia

        #18
        Well yes, you can see how the merged datalog was created with prjmod.
        I can say it took a LOT of work to get the timing right and I am quite proud of it actually.
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        • Acki
          S2Forum Addict
          • Mar 2014
          • 302
          • Country: Germany

          #19
          I’m sure that’s a lot of work!
          May some of the 5banger boys could make a datalog with RAM_53 and RAM_54 and we could compare :-)
          It’s nice to see how fast the fast path idle control works via ignition angle and also the other ignition impacting functions. :-)

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          • prj
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Mar 2010
            • 6308
            • Country: Estonia

            #20
            Fast path idle is simply a single map that gets activated when throttle is released, It's in the main ign angle.
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            • Acki
              S2Forum Addict
              • Mar 2014
              • 302
              • Country: Germany

              #21
              You are speaking about code_2118 or code_44F1 (RS2 with prjmod)?
              The impact via code_44F1 you don't see at RAM_54.
              idle.JPG
              Last edited by Acki; 5 April 2018, 11:23.

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              • prj
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Mar 2010
                • 6308
                • Country: Estonia

                #22
                Has been too long for me to remember.

                Feel free to fix the logger though and update the wiki xD
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                • Acki
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                  • Mar 2014
                  • 302
                  • Country: Germany

                  #23
                  Ignition Angle = (Z-(Y-X))*0.75
                  Z = BM - XRAM_5F
                  Y = Ignition - IRAM_54 (ZWBEG)
                  Z = Idle correction angle - XRAM_167

                  I wouldn't say "fix" - I'm sure a lot of people didn't care about idle control ignition correction

                  I can write something into the WIKI but I'm a little bit reserved cause I don't drive a 5 cylinder or prjmod firmware...

                  /edit:
                  Idle ignition angles

                  ZWIdle.JPG
                  Last edited by Acki; 9 April 2018, 21:05.

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                  • Acki
                    S2Forum Addict
                    • Mar 2014
                    • 302
                    • Country: Germany

                    #24
                    knock.JPG
                    That's the "very" simple knock control of the V8 :-D

                    This knock control needs modifications ;-)

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