Replacement speakers: what do people recommend?

[NickVyse]

MB Quartz

I've just bought an RS2 and the first thing I'm doing is getting some decent sounds put in. I'm looking at MB Quartz, but as someone else noted, the model numbers have moved on from the ones discussed here.

In the reference range there is an RVF210 that is 45.5mm deep and a shallow mount RUF210 at 32.25mm deep. Anybody know off hand the maximum depth the dash will take without messing about?

I could always just go an whip out my original speakers - which leads me to my next question, do you have to contort on your back with a screw driver, or do the grills prise off from the top?

Thanks - and great site BTW.

Nick

[NickVyse]

sorry - being the annoying newbie not bothering to search. Grill prises off, one screw later etc, etc. BTW depth of standard Nokia speaker is roughly 45mm from mounting surface.

[Greg_S]

Cheers for that Nick, handy to know its 45mm. Im still planning to make some front door builds since the uprated 4" speakers dont give any bass just mid top

[Graham]

Managed to find some pics of the rear speakers.

http://www.s2forum.com/forum/attachm...ttachmentid=15 mounts

http://www.s2forum.com/forum/attachm...ttachmentid=16 new and old

I have resurrected an old thread, i am going to replace the rear speakers and used Gregs pictures to give me the idea of using the plate on the door card as a mount for NUTSERTS. The nutserts are very strong as i have used them to repair the bolt holes where the wheel arch liners mount onto the outer wing. (Audi used these originally). I have got the thin sheet nutsert kit from M4 to M8 and want to know how much space is behind the panel for the depth of the speaker. Does anyone have a photo of the rear quater with the trim removed and a measurement to give an indication of how deep a speaker can go. Its time to bin the old farts out of the back panels.

[Greg_S]

Be interested to see how you get on with this one.

[veneto rs2]

Hi all

After i had being into car stereos competitions for years...
(had a Monolithic Amp and AD speakers with custom crossovers plus 5 yes Five Sony 10 Cds changers (well now we have mp3!) in the recess behind the rear bumper on my ex S2 coupè)
I decide to go easy on the RS2 Sony radio no amps 1 CD changer 6 discs AD Audio Development speakers still with custom crossovers thoug...
I had a 10cm diameter coaxial on the front
16 cm woofers on the front doors (they fit easy on the original door trim)
13 cm and separate tweeter on the back
All of them from their "MM" Range

All of them

if you are interested the owner of the Audio Development Company his my best friend and i can get very very good discounts

This is the Company

http://www.audiodevelopment.it/index.html

Stefano

[Graham]

So does anyone have a measurement as i dont want to rip the panel out to measure, then re-assemble, to rip it out a week later. I might be able to put a 6.5 MB quart in there as the nutserts will space the speaker about 8mm away from the plate enabeling me to go bigger. But i need to know how deep the recess is behind.
Any idea's
Cheers
Graham
*EDIT*
Also speakers, alot of people like the MB Quart, which model of MB quart do you reccomend, i have been looking at the PFV213 or the discus DSG213. I even like the look of THESE
Other brands i have had good experience with in the past is Infinity and Sony, what do people think of these?

[Graham]

Hi all

After i had being into car stereos competitions for years...
(had a Monolithic Amp and AD speakers with custom crossovers plus 5 yes Five Sony 10 Cds changers (well now we have mp3!) in the recess behind the rear bumper on my ex S2 coupè)
I decide to go easy on the RS2 Sony radio no amps 1 CD changer 6 discs AD Audio Development speakers still with custom crossovers thoug...
I had a 10cm diameter coaxial on the front
16 cm woofers on the front doors (they fit easy on the original door trim)
13 cm and separate tweeter on the back
All of them from their "MM" Range

All of them

if you are interested the owner of the Audio Development Company his my best friend and i can get very very good discounts

This is the Company

http://www.audiodevelopment.it/index.html

Stefano

Cheers for the offer, i dont want to cut any holes in the interior, unless there is a OEM way of taking my door pockets off and fitting different pockets on which will house a speaker or 2. I cringe at cutting trim.
Graham

[Graham]

Ok it looks like a how too guide is needed, i'll pull it apart and take some piccies and measurements and go from there. Does $115 postage from US sound like a lot for a set of MB Quart speakers (Which are a further $190)?

[johne]

Just to be certain, I assume we're talking about a coupe, not an Avant here.

I replaced my rear speakers with Sony XSF1325s and they were a huge improvement over the original Nokias. Price in the UK is around £20 a pair from Amazon. Personally, I can't see how paying big US$ prices for MB speakers is going to be worth it.

Nutserts would be a great way to fix the speakers to the metal bracket and although I don't know the exact distance at that point in the car there is plenty of room for deep speakers - after all, the original Nokias were pretty deep and they had the connectors on them.

I used silicon sealer to fix my Sony's to the metal bracket but however you do it, what's most important is that you achieve an air-tight seal all around between the speakers and the metal bracket and the trim panel so as to create an "infinite baffle" - well as much as you can. This is easier said than done as the metal bracket bridges the bend in the trim panel and doesn't sit that close to it but bass performance will really suffer if you don't seal the speaker to the trim panel whatever speakers you use.

The Sony's come with a centre tweeter. I fitted a small toggle switch in the trim panel to allow me to switch the OE Audi tweeter on or not. I also removed the grey foam and cross struts behing the black Audi speaker grill before reusing it.

Sorry, but I didn't take any photos before putting it all back together.

[Graham]

Just to be certain, I assume we're talking about a coupe, not an Avant here.

I replaced my rear speakers with Sony XSF1325s and they were a huge improvement over the original Nokias. Price in the UK is around £20 a pair from Amazon. Personally, I can't see how paying big US$ prices for MB speakers is going to be worth it.

Nutserts would be a great way to fix the speakers to the metal bracket and although I don't know the exact distance at that point in the car there is plenty of room for deep speakers - after all, the original Nokias were pretty deep and they had the connectors on them.

I used silicon sealer to fix my Sony's to the metal bracket but however you do it, what's most important is that you achieve an air-tight seal all around between the speakers and the metal bracket and the trim panel so as to create an "infinite baffle" - well as much as you can. This is easier said than done as the metal bracket bridges the bend in the trim panel and doesn't sit that close to it but bass performance will really suffer if you don't seal the speaker to the trim panel whatever speakers you use.

The Sony's come with a centre tweeter. I fitted a small toggle switch in the trim panel to allow me to switch the OE Audi tweeter on or not. I also removed the grey foam and cross struts behing the black Audi speaker grill before reusing it.

Sorry, but I didn't take any photos before putting it all back together.

Excellent Thanks alot Johne, this is the info i needed, i'll order a set of speakers and get em in, owe you a beer So i think i'll go for the MB Quart 6.5" and give em a go, if there is enough room for them

[HPmuirt]

Hey John,

Good suggestion about sealing the speakers, I would never have thought to do that

A few questions for anyone reading this...

1. Are Nutserts available in the UK?
2. If so, can you buy just 8 (for 2 rear speakers)
3. What is the capital of Angola?
4. If not, can Graham post them out in sets of 8?
5. Accoustically (particularly in the Coupe), is there a significant advantage to using components over composites? (I ask this as fitting would be much easier)
6. Are there 2 'Eric-the-half-a-bee's?
7. I have 4" MQ Quarts in the front. Can anyone recommend a suitable bass blocker/passive crossover/capacitor which will knock some of the bass off?

Cheers n

Si

[johne]

Hey John,

Good suggestion about sealing the speakers, I would never have thought to do that

A few questions for anyone reading this...

1. Are Nutserts available in the UK?
2. If so, can you buy just 8 (for 2 rear speakers)
3. What is the capital of Angola?
4. If not, can Graham post them out in sets of 8?
5. Accoustically (particularly in the Coupe), is there a significant advantage to using components over composites? (I ask this as fitting would be much easier)
6. Are there 2 'Eric-the-half-a-bee's?
7. I have 4" MQ Quarts in the front. Can anyone recommend a suitable bass blocker/passive crossover/capacitor which will knock some of the bass off?

Cheers n

Si

1. Yes, they are. Search "clinch nuts" on RS Components or "Hank nuts" - poor Hank, goodness knows how he ended up having his nuts clinched..................

Depending on size they cost around £10 for 100. Some types need a special tool to insert them - they've been around a long while

2. Looks like we need a group buy...............

3. S*** hole since I can't spell Luanda

4. That's up to Graham, will he loan his insertion tool to go with them?

5. Don't believe so

6. No idea

7. Feed them through a 10uf non polarised electrolytic capacitor

John

PS Did you get my PM?

[Graham]

Hey John,

Good suggestion about sealing the speakers, I would never have thought to do that

A few questions for anyone reading this...

1. Are Nutserts available in the UK?
2. If so, can you buy just 8 (for 2 rear speakers)
3. What is the capital of Angola?
4. If not, can Graham post them out in sets of 8?
5. Accoustically (particularly in the Coupe), is there a significant advantage to using components over composites? (I ask this as fitting would be much easier)
6. Are there 2 'Eric-the-half-a-bee's?
7. I have 4" MQ Quarts in the front. Can anyone recommend a suitable bass blocker/passive crossover/capacitor which will knock some of the bass off?

Cheers n

Si

1) Yes- HERE are some
2) Dunno, i failed Geography cos i went and seen Chubby Browns UFO the night before the exam and got rat ****d.
3)I have a spare inserting tool, might have to order some new adaptors for it though as i only have 1 X M4, 1 X M5 and 2 X M6 adaptor. If needed i could get another kit and post it.
4) See answer 3
5)Ermm ermmm---------Luanda
6)Who the F*** is Eric the half bee
7)Ask me one on capitals, i can google them.
Graham

[Graham]

Oh and here is the Kit i use.
Graham