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  • Azman
    S2Forum Possessed
    • Sep 2005
    • 3205
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    Oh yeah. Would my FARB cause this in any way. The passenger side ball joint on the bar is stuffed and keeps popping off.
    Dark Grey Avant
    RS2 FARB
    Powerflex Front wishbone bushes
    Alloy Subframe Bushes

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    • Keeper of The Kitten
      S2Forum Fiend
      • Dec 2003
      • 2317
      • Country: England

      #17
      The bar shouldn't be a controlling element for alignment, no, just to control roll (sway) of the car on the move.

      Yes, I meant the wishbone bushes! If you had a bent wishbone it would certainly put the camber out - but it would send it towards positive camber because the bottom part of the wheel would be moved inboard. Worn bushes can settle and pull the wishbone (and the bottom of the wheel) outwards during static setup (or straight running ...EDIT: this would happen if you have toe-out at the front), but during cornering the opposite would happen and the bottom of the wheel would push inwards (...EDIT: this will also happen during straight running if you have toe-in at the front).

      Fresh top mounts would prevent movement at the top, which could also alter camber, but they are a lot further from the wheel than the wishbone and the effect is diminished.

      Where are the undersize bolts you refer to? Are these sleeved in some way? I would be very wary of undersize bolts unless the grade is suitable. If they are suspension bolts or high quality aftermarket bolts (eg Holokrome, Unbrako) then they are ok, but be careful!

      __MDC__
      Martin Cutting

      aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

      It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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      • Azman
        S2Forum Possessed
        • Sep 2005
        • 3205
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        They are the bolts that hold the hub carrier to the strut. I used the bolts from my CQ as the bolts from the 3B setup where far too big to go through the strut holes. This will obviously affect the camber slightly but not by that much on the one wheel. I hopefully will have the bolt sleves tomorow. Then fit them and get re tracked etc.
        Dark Grey Avant
        RS2 FARB
        Powerflex Front wishbone bushes
        Alloy Subframe Bushes

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        • Jas11n
          S2Forum Zealot
          • Jan 2004
          • 5067
          • Country: England

          #19
          Originally posted by Azman
          They are the bolts that hold the hub carrier to the strut. I used the bolts from my CQ as the bolts from the 3B setup where far too big to go through the strut holes. This will obviously affect the camber slightly but not by that much on the one wheel. I hopefully will have the bolt sleves tomorow. Then fit them and get re tracked etc.
          That means you have a larger hole on the hub, but the standard smaller hole on the strut leg. An area for a lot of movement.
          Ask Russ ("New Convertor") on here about how much movement in the this area can upset the car. He ended coming off the track at Combe last year when this joint moved and you could actually see the difference between the two front wheels.
          2001 Avus Silver B5 RS4.
          2004 A4 Avant 1.8T quattro Sport-LE.
          1995 S2 Coupe - sold (sniff)

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          • Azman
            S2Forum Possessed
            • Sep 2005
            • 3205
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #20
            So best get the bolt sleeves ASAP then.
            Dark Grey Avant
            RS2 FARB
            Powerflex Front wishbone bushes
            Alloy Subframe Bushes

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            • rotoryboy
              S2Forum Possessed
              • May 2004
              • 3281
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #21
              Why dont you just drill the outers out to fit the 14mm through the lot?
              Mark

              Race Clio RS197

              S2 Coupe ABY (Green) - RIP
              S2 Coupe ABY (Blue) - Sold

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              • topsparky
                S2Forum Fiend
                • Oct 2005
                • 2014
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                if the arb is shagged won't you get bump steer
                1. SHORT SHIFT KIT
                2. PORSCHE CAYENNE CALIPERS
                3. H & R SPRINGS
                4. BILSTEIN SHOXS
                5. NEW BUSHES AND HP2 STRUTS
                6. UPRATED HIGH OUTPUT COIL PACK
                7. ,3" turbo back s/s/ exhaust
                8. fmic fitted

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                • Keeper of The Kitten
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • Dec 2003
                  • 2317
                  • Country: England

                  #23
                  If the arb is in any way connected to bump steer, I will eat my hat (and I do own a hat!)

                  ...bump steer is exactly what it sounds like, the tendency for a wheel to steer when the suspension compresses (bump travel). I don't think the arb is used as a controlling element on these cars (I know it might be on some other vehicles). We have McPherson-type struts with a wishbone, and the track rod takes care of the steering effect (both ends as a track rod is used at the rear too). If you did something like raising/lowering the steering rack it would result in bump steer, because the arc described by the track rod would not be compatible with the arc described by the steering arm end.

                  I'm in agreement with Mark here, why not drill out and use the larger bolts?

                  __MDC__
                  Martin Cutting

                  aka Keeper of "The Teutonic Kitten"

                  It's not better than sex, but it runs it a close second.

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                  • Azman
                    S2Forum Possessed
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 3205
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    Sounds like a better option its just getting it in line that I am worried about when drilling!!!!
                    Dark Grey Avant
                    RS2 FARB
                    Powerflex Front wishbone bushes
                    Alloy Subframe Bushes

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                    • Azman
                      S2Forum Possessed
                      • Sep 2005
                      • 3205
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      Just got my link arms. Off to fit new ones both sides. Toodle pip
                      Dark Grey Avant
                      RS2 FARB
                      Powerflex Front wishbone bushes
                      Alloy Subframe Bushes

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                      • Azman
                        S2Forum Possessed
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 3205
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        Right FARB links changed. (In quite a good time considering the bolts were siezed) and went for a little drive. Noticed when I got back that the drivers side wheel is still toeing out a touch - Right hand pull. Rang the people who did the alignment had a moan and am going back tomorow for another one. May be getting somewhere now. Car feels a little better with the new link in. Just need an engine now and to sort the bolts out.
                        Dark Grey Avant
                        RS2 FARB
                        Powerflex Front wishbone bushes
                        Alloy Subframe Bushes

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