S2 (ABY) subframe Q

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  • pfi
    S2Forum Addict
    • Jun 2016
    • 274
    • Country: Norway

    #1

    S2 (ABY) subframe Q

    Failed MOT due to one rubber mounting in the front subframe (also other issues but far more easy to fix ...) .

    Have read that the subframes are adjustable, one fixed point and three adjustable, is that correct ? or have I been mislead ?
  • steve briance
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Aug 2014
    • 1455
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    That is correct but i can't recall which one is fixed. If you drop your subframe down to fot new bush you will be able to see which is the fixed mounting point. The others all float a little with free but captive square nuts in the chassis.

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    • pfi
      S2Forum Addict
      • Jun 2016
      • 274
      • Country: Norway

      #3
      ok, thnx, but wasn't the answer I hoped for ...
      Any DIY for alignment ?

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      • John.
        S2Forum Fiend
        • May 2012
        • 2615
        • Country: Scotland

        #4
        Originally posted by pfi
        ok, thnx, but wasn't the answer I hoped for ...
        Any DIY for alignment ?
        I'd be for measuring a line from a front mounting point (rear subframe) to a point on the opposite front side (possibly the rear mounting point of front subframe), then adjust so the measurements from each side are the same......if that makes sense ?

        I think it's one of the rear mounts that is fixed.

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        • John.
          S2Forum Fiend
          • May 2012
          • 2615
          • Country: Scotland

          #5
          Just re-read your post, sorry I was thinking the rear subframe rear-most mount is fixed

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          • pfi
            S2Forum Addict
            • Jun 2016
            • 274
            • Country: Norway

            #6
            My concern now is about the front subframe, but I guess the rear also have one fixed and three adjustable ?
            and, yes, may take some cross-reference measures but will it be accurate enough ?
            Mby I need a pro to get it right ?

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            • John.
              S2Forum Fiend
              • May 2012
              • 2615
              • Country: Scotland

              #7
              Originally posted by pfi
              Mby I need a pro to get it right ?


              4-wheel alignment for sure, but also you'd need to be sure that the operator is competent to be moving the subframe(s) !!

              ........or measure and adjust yourself so you know subframes are in line and square with the body, then get alignment done?

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              • Tractor Dave
                S2Forum Zealot
                • Dec 2017
                • 5983
                • Country: Wales

                #8
                When you remove you will see it leaves nice marks on the mounting points. Just replace covering those marks
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                • John.
                  S2Forum Fiend
                  • May 2012
                  • 2615
                  • Country: Scotland

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Tractor Dave
                  When you remove you will see it leaves nice marks on the mounting points. Just replace covering those marks
                  Good thinking Dave

                  ....and it'll show how a standard bush has a good contact area unlike poly.

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                  • pfi
                    S2Forum Addict
                    • Jun 2016
                    • 274
                    • Country: Norway

                    #10
                    Propably not needing a 4-wheeler for now if I can get the subframe back in it's original pos.
                    I'll do a 4-whhel later when all other parts replaced.

                    As the original mountings is pretty hard to get in place, I'm planning to replace (all) with Powerflex (black-series)

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                    • John.
                      S2Forum Fiend
                      • May 2012
                      • 2615
                      • Country: Scotland

                      #11
                      Originally posted by pfi
                      As the original mountings is pretty hard to get in place
                      You're not wrong there!

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                      • steve briance
                        S2Forum Extremist
                        • Aug 2014
                        • 1455
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        People do manage to fit the original rubber types somehow but, when I tried; i destroyed 2 mounts and snapped an M10 bolt trying to use one and some washers to drawer the bush into the subframe.

                        My poly bushes press in by hand.

                        Lovely.

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                        • newsh
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                          • Aug 2003
                          • 16226
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          I used Superflex when I did my subframes. They’re a bit quieter than the Powerflex.

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                          • pfi
                            S2Forum Addict
                            • Jun 2016
                            • 274
                            • Country: Norway

                            #14
                            Originally posted by newsh
                            I used Superflex when I did my subframes. They’re a bit quieter than the Powerflex.
                            This one : https://www.superflex.co.uk/proddeta...=SF080-1797KSS ?
                            Have thought about these but have not found a dealer in Norway.
                            Powerflex has a local dealer nearby ...

                            How did You align the subframes ?

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                            • John.
                              S2Forum Fiend
                              • May 2012
                              • 2615
                              • Country: Scotland

                              #15
                              Originally posted by steve briance
                              My poly bushes press in by hand.
                              Lovely.
                              Yes lovely to fit.
                              Does anyone have concerns regarding the design (or lack of) of the poly ? The metal insert/sleeve should ideally incorporate a "penny washer" where it contacts the chassis in the same way the original bush does?
                              Cheap to produce I'm sure but not cheap to buy.....but folks keep buying!

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