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  • Error404
    Super Moderator
    • Mar 2007
    • 19789
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    Originally posted by Jamo
    ABY and RS2 have a different rack non servotronic
    Same rack as the AAH and ABC V6 cars too incidentally 2.6 turns lock to lock.
    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
    Indigo ABY coupé
    Imola B6 S4 Avant

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    • Rusty
      Super Moderator
      • Jun 2004
      • 18953
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
      S2 steering is lovely and sharp, shame that there's no feel to it really, it only seems to weight up with track rubber and WOT
      Cheers'en, AndyC
      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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      • Error404
        Super Moderator
        • Mar 2007
        • 19789
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #18
        might be worth looking at the differences between the Type 85 and Type 89 cars in the steering departement, as the URs etc are supposed to have very nicely weighted steering with lots of feedback from what i've read?
        Since they have very similar suspension set-ups, similar weight distribution, rack position etc why are the b£ / B4 cars so numb?
        Do the URs run more castor, are the steering arms design / position / angle / height etc different? Is the rack dramatically different design etc?
        Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
        Indigo ABY coupé
        Imola B6 S4 Avant

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        • Golfboy666GTI
          S2Forum Maniac
          • Sep 2008
          • 571
          • Country: New Zealand

          #19
          Originally posted by Rusty
          The weight of the RS2 and the inert steering means that it'll never be that great. A faffing graet big rear roll bar will help, as will sticking a 26mm S2 ARB on the front, should liven things up. Offset from subframe bushes will help as it gives more castor and an adjustment to the camber and toe settings by someone who sets up race cars will work nicely. Poly will stiffen things up, a proper race seat also puts you much more in touch with the chassis than the armchairs but don't expect a revalation, more of an understanding of how squidgey the stock chassis is.

          Basically an S2/RS2 is a slow-in-fast-out car, use the weight at the front to induce some lift-off oversteer into the corner to help get the car setup and then libearlly apply the throttle to get it back on line and expect a touch of power understeer on the exit. Think of it as a 2 ton hot hatch and you'll do a lot better, smooth BMW driving doesn't work with these IMO get it dancing about and enjoy. The other thing to try is left foot braking to temper turbo lag, it's a good way of killing clutch and brakes but you can always kid yourself that you're Stig Blomquist

          Thanks for your reply.
          I done enjoy the challenge of learning how to drive this car fast.
          Most cars (I get to drive a lot as Dad is a Manager of a car yard) I get in I can drive quick after about 1 mile on sitting behind the wheel.
          To be honest I dont feel I can drive the RS2 quicker around corners in the rain than I could in my old Mk3 VR6 which is 2wd.
          I might look at replacing the bushes, and Im still keen to find out more about these steering rack mount bolts that a forum member had issues (stretch) with.
          1980 VW Golf GTI Track Car
          1995 Audi RS2

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          • 4WheelDrifter
            S2Forum Zealot
            • Oct 2004
            • 5773
            • Country: Devon

            #20
            Originally posted by Simoni
            Changing the wheel alignment is said to be a cheap and quick change.
            Giving it 1° more (compared to the standard settings) camber in front should reduce understeer and give sharper turn in.
            Originally posted by alg
            Depends what you are seeking feedback or handling. You will never get the feedback of a well set up RWD car but you can get better handling.
            The alignment setting above worked for me but again it was done by a experienced 'one man' outfit here in Edinburgh. But that was after a series of suspension changes. You need fresh dampers OEM or Koni (remember that they may feel OK but you feel the handling has deterioated how old are they). Fresh front bushes throughout. Correct tyre pressure (after 5 years I always seem to go back to 38psi on 17"/225/45 tyres).
            The car now handles so well that my thoughts of replacement fade by the day.
            Good advice here.
            My S2 didn't feel planted at all when I first had it, especially in the wet. A few new bushes and a wheel alignment session sorted it. Suddenly I was just as confident in the wet as in the dry.

            Slow in, fast out is the key as already said.
            SS

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            • Dirtylouie
              S2Forum Fanatic
              • Oct 2007
              • 73
              • Country: Russian Federation

              #21
              Originally posted by Error404
              Same rack as the AAH and ABC V6 cars too incidentally 2.6 turns lock to lock.
              sorry for the offtop once again.
              Did i get it right, that 3B rack is 3 turns, ABY,ABC & AAH rack is 2.6 turns, and ADU&034 racks are exactly 2 turns?
              - Racing. Cause football, baseball, bowling & golf take only 1 ball.

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              • Rusty
                Super Moderator
                • Jun 2004
                • 18953
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                Originally posted by Golfboy666GTI
                Thanks for your reply.
                I done enjoy the challenge of learning how to drive this car fast.
                Most cars (I get to drive a lot as Dad is a Manager of a car yard) I get in I can drive quick after about 1 mile on sitting behind the wheel.
                To be honest I dont feel I can drive the RS2 quicker around corners in the rain than I could in my old Mk3 VR6 which is 2wd.
                I might look at replacing the bushes, and Im still keen to find out more about these steering rack mount bolts that a forum member had issues (stretch) with.
                It took me a few years to get the hang of my S2, the controls are al a bit funny and the driving position too, once it clicked tho it's faster than most things. The important thing to remember is that you need to enter a corner slower to get the best turn in but your exit speed will be a lot higher than a 2wd car due to mid corner traction. Hope you get your head round it, that's the biggest hurdle, think of it as a 2 ton hot hatch and drive accordingly, lift-off oversteer is your friend

                An upgraded rear roll bar is the best mod you can make IMO, do that before everything else
                Cheers'en, AndyC
                1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                • Error404
                  Super Moderator
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 19789
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  Originally posted by Dirtylouie
                  sorry for the offtop once again.
                  Did i get it right, that 3B rack is 3 turns, ABY,ABC & AAH rack is 2.6 turns, and ADU&034 racks are exactly 2 turns?
                  No. AAH, ABC, 3B, ABY and ADU are all 2.6 turns and AFAIK the the 034 item is just an OEM "2.6 turns rack" which they never got in the US. Dunno where this 2 turns comes from
                  Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                  Indigo ABY coupé
                  Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                  • Jamo
                    Retired OG Mod
                    • Mar 2004
                    • 21750
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Error404
                    No. AAH, ABC, 3B, ABY and ADU are all 2.6 turns and AFAIK the the 034 item is just an OEM "2.6 turns rack" which they never got in the US. Dunno where this 2 turns comes from
                    Careful as that is not what 034 advertise, their rack is 2 turns hence the members request for clarification.



                    It seems 034 have the US rack rebuilt to a shorter ratio

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                    • Lloyd
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Apr 2006
                      • 1559
                      • Home: Wales Current: England

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Jamo
                      Careful as that is not what 034 advertise, their rack is 2 turns hence the members request for clarification.



                      It seems 034 have the US rack rebuilt to a shorter ratio

                      I would like one on my car! Has anyone got one here in the UK?
                      RS2+ (now sold...)

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                      • Error404
                        Super Moderator
                        • Mar 2007
                        • 19789
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        Fair enough my mistake....... i'd seen some posts elsewhere suggesting it was just a euro rack so I assume its the rack and pinion that they changed.
                        I asked 034 ages ago if they could do a mod for a RHD rack, but they said no.

                        EDIT: IIRC Quaife do kits for escorts etc for under £100, so shouldn't be that hard / expensive to get some made for RHD cars... just need a donor rack i guess
                        Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                        Indigo ABY coupé
                        Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                        • Jamo
                          Retired OG Mod
                          • Mar 2004
                          • 21750
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #27
                          Originally posted by Error404
                          Fair enough my mistake....... i'd seen some posts elsewhere suggesting it was just a euro rack so I assume its the rack and pinion that they changed.
                          I asked 034 ages ago if they could do a mod for a RHD rack, but they said no.
                          Ah yes just seen that, that's a bit naughty as well

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                          • Error404
                            Super Moderator
                            • Mar 2007
                            • 19789
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            Pic stolen from Stu's rebuild guide




                            Would be worth investigating costs and numbers for a quick rack kit maybe?

                            It might even be that the RHD and LHD rack and pinion are the same in which case maybe we could convince 034 to sell us a batch
                            Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                            Indigo ABY coupé
                            Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                            • lind4hl
                              S2Forum Fiend
                              • Jul 2008
                              • 2465
                              • Country: Sweden

                              #29
                              im looking for a shorter rack! lhd..

                              One thing i've learned we are way behind the Scandinavians!

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                              • MidnightBlueS2
                                S2Forum Extremist
                                • Jul 2005
                                • 1653
                                • Home: United States Current: Belgium

                                #30
                                Originally posted by Rusty
                                It took me a few years to get the hang of my S2, the controls are al a bit funny and the driving position too, once it clicked tho it's faster than most things. The important thing to remember is that you need to enter a corner slower to get the best turn in but your exit speed will be a lot higher than a 2wd car due to mid corner traction. Hope you get your head round it, that's the biggest hurdle, think of it as a 2 ton hot hatch and drive accordingly, lift-off oversteer is your friend

                                An upgraded rear roll bar is the best mod you can make IMO, do that before everything else

                                Can't say I entirely agree with everyone here about slow in, fast out... Stu and Lloyd who've been passengers with me on the Ring can vouch on how fast a proper S2 can be.

                                I personally, to say it like the thread creator said it, take it by the scruff and throw it fast in corners ( which I didn't do with your S2 David btw ) , let the initail understeer settle in while aiming for the apex, then basically, "cure" the understeer by nailing at WOT and full boost slightly before apex to get the front wheels and the marvelous quattro w/Torsen system to help turn the car and get me past the apex, the rest of the curve is just WOT and on your way . So I would say medium fast in, WOT and full boost in apex then VERY fast on the way out as the curve widens.

                                Works for me !
                                Midnight Blue S2 - SOLD - 1993 S2 Avant

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