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  • Christophski
    S2Forum Possessed
    • Mar 2009
    • 3632
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #16
    Originally posted by Nace20
    interesting thread

    i am also thinking what would be the best combination

    i am planing to leave it on stock springs, bilstein shocks, oem bushes on subframe and poly on wishbones

    what do you think around this combination?
    That's probably not to harsh however I can't comment as I have standard shocks but h&r springs. Otherwise that's the route I have gone and next year I want to change the shocks for something a little stiffer

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    • Nace20
      S2Forum Maniac
      • Jul 2007
      • 721
      • Country: Slovenia

      #17
      Originally posted by Christophski
      That's probably not to harsh however I can't comment as I have standard shocks but h&r springs. Otherwise that's the route I have gone and next year I want to change the shocks for something a little stiffer

      i dont need it for track use

      only want that it drives thru cornes as it should
      S2 limo

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      • K Simmonds
        S2Forum Zealot
        • Dec 2007
        • 7627
        • Country: Wales

        #18
        I have all poly wishbone, subframe and ARB bushes back and front with stock springs, uprated dampers and stock top mounts on my S2 Coupe.

        It took a year of faffing about changing parts but that's about the best comprise I could come up with for the road.

        I like my RS2 just as it is now it's back on stock springs and I'm going to to do my best to use OE replacement parts wherever possible.

        By the way, the upper rear arm bushes are the same as B5 A4's (Also half the price) and I wouldn't be at all surprised to find others on the back are interchangeable.
        1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
        1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
        1994 MTM RS2.
        1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
        2000 B5 TQS.

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        • Vorsprung durch Technik
          S2Forum Freak
          • Jun 2007
          • 4754
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #19
          Originally posted by Nace20
          interesting thread

          i am also thinking what would be the best combination

          i am planing to leave it on stock springs, bilstein shocks, oem bushes on subframe and poly on wishbones

          what do you think around this combination?
          I would say that combination is about perfect if your going to use Bilstein B6 sport shocks.
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          • BosnianS2
            S2Forum Addict
            • Apr 2005
            • 322
            • Home: Bosnia and Herzegovina Current: Germany

            #20
            Two months ago I rebuilt completely suspension on my RS2, but on subframes I used 034 Solid Subframe bushes. I am totally happy with the car, and I did not notice any negative affect. Car feels tight and precise but not too harsh on ride. I would suggest solid bushes on road car also from my experience.

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            • Vorsprung durch Technik
              S2Forum Freak
              • Jun 2007
              • 4754
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #21
              Originally posted by BosnianS2
              Two months ago I rebuilt completely suspension on my RS2, but on subframes I used 034 Solid Subframe bushes. I am totally happy with the car, and I did not notice any negative affect. Car feels tight and precise but not too harsh on ride. I would suggest solid bushes on road car also from my experience.
              That might well be true where you live,but we have guys here in UK who have used solid subframe bushes who say they hate them for normal road use and went back to Oem or polybush. There is one thing that springs to my mind.If you living in Germany as your avatar states with near billiard smooth roads then you might well get away with solid subframe bushes.Here in the Uk with rubbish roads it's a big no no.
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              96 URS6 plus speck estate
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              99 2.8 final edition Cabriolet

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              • johnboy 3169
                S2Forum Addict
                • Nov 2009
                • 300
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                Thanks for all the info, so many combinations

                But this is what I am going with:

                Rear subframe OEM Looking forward to fitting these!!

                Rear suspension Powerflex

                Rear crossmember Apikol (blue)

                Rear diff mount Apikol (blue)+

                Hopefully should be ok, its going to be a while before I can let you all know as I am going right through the car

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                • Christophski
                  S2Forum Possessed
                  • Mar 2009
                  • 3632
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  Bear in mind some items for the rear suspension are only available in OEM as i found with the S2 avant. Also good luck in fitting the subframe bushes. I found them the biggest issue when doing the rear of mine recently. Some machining shops i use regularly wouldnt touch them, a VW/ Audi specialist I know quite well wouldnt touch them and then Audi themselves said they wanted £140 and would not be held responsible for bending or damaging the subframe which has happened in the past apparently.

                  I ended up doing them myself with much stress on the patio with various items and of all things a club hammer!

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                  • Vorsprung durch Technik
                    S2Forum Freak
                    • Jun 2007
                    • 4754
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Christophski
                    I ended up doing them myself with much stress on the patio with various items and of all things a club hammer!

                    I take my hat of to you as it's not an easy job.Just goes to show the so called "specialists" aren't really that special if they cant or wont take on this type of work.
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                    96 URS6 plus speck estate
                    94 2.6 80 Avant
                    99 2.8 final edition Cabriolet

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                    • Christophski
                      S2Forum Possessed
                      • Mar 2009
                      • 3632
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      Originally posted by Vorsprung durch Technik
                      I take my hat of to you as it's not an easy job.Just goes to show the so called "specialists" aren't really that special if they cant or wont take on this type of work.
                      Thank you but when i say myself I mean between me and my brother who if he hadnt have helped meant the refurb on the back would not have been possible. He is a plant fitter and has only been into mechanics in the last few years so we kind of had to rely on this place and limited past experiences we had between us.

                      Still, subframe bushes are one thing I will never take on again (I know I might have to do my front subframe bushes next year... I might try to dodge that one)

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                      • johnboy 3169
                        S2Forum Addict
                        • Nov 2009
                        • 300
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        Sounds like I am in for a good time with the big hammer, bar and a large helping of bashed fingers and thumbs and all mixed up with a really large helping of tourettes.

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                        • Christophski
                          S2Forum Possessed
                          • Mar 2009
                          • 3632
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #27
                          Originally posted by johnboy 3169
                          Sounds like I am in for a good time with the big hammer, bar and a large helping of bashed fingers and thumbs and all mixed up with a really large helping of tourettes.
                          You have absolutely no idea mate lol.... Make sure you have lots of copper slip and wd40 to hand and a big old piece of tubing or a so socket in the region of 65 - 70mm (and that still wont clear the bush but will allow you to get it most of the way through, thats when the hammer comes in to a world of its own!)

                          The front bushes went in real easy, its the rears that we really REALLY struggled with.

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                          • Teg
                            S2Forum Enthusiast
                            • Sep 2011
                            • 158
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            Know that feeling about the bushes. I took my subframes to 3 different garages, one of which the owner has an RS2 and they would not press the old bushes out. Ended up doing it myself over a number of evenings.

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                            • Christophski
                              S2Forum Possessed
                              • Mar 2009
                              • 3632
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #29
                              Getting the bushes out was the easy bit buddy... blow torch and a big old wedge wedge wonders!

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                              • Trist28
                                S2Forum Maniac
                                • Dec 2008
                                • 725
                                • Home: United Kingdom Current: Wales

                                #30
                                Just mid way through doing my rear subframe refresh - Stuck on the bushes but see my recent thread. Some are going to arrive on the market hopefully in next couple of months.

                                I used oxy torch lit four small rubber fires, let burn and that was it - no drama! As for pressing new ones in - How did you do it in the end. Was it emotional?

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