urquattro 016 box to 3b motor

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  • dirtybarry
    S2Forum Addict
    • Jun 2006
    • 282
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    urquattro 016 box to 3b motor

    hi, can anyone give me some info on this task. im looking to swap my 10v lump in my wr quattro for a 3b 20v that i have aquired. i'm wanting to use the original wr 016 gearbox with the 3b motor. i belive this is possable but am unsure about the bearing configuration ie roller bearing, needle bearing requirements. can anyone sehd some light on this for me. thanks stepehn.
    1986 urquattro 20v 3b
  • martinjs
    S2Forum Possessed
    • Jul 2003
    • 3205
    • Country: England

    #2
    i think you just have to fit a needle bearing for the WR engine into the 3b.

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    • caterpillar
      S2Forum Fiend
      • Jun 2004
      • 2480

      #3
      warning

      you did have som sencors in the flywheel housin....think you have to use the 3b engine AND tranny............. and gear linkage... they arent the same

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      • kwlw
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Sep 2004
        • 1025
        • Country: Lithuania

        #4
        Originally posted by caterpillar
        you did have som sencors in the flywheel housin....think you have to use the 3b engine AND tranny............. and gear linkage... they arent the same
        What are you trying to say ? What sensors ? Flywheel teeth and reference pin sensors come with the engine, 016 box has cut for them, also there is places for sensors which are on the 3b engine (on early urq's there were sensors on the gearbox, I don't think they can be used for 3b). Don't see any problem with that.

        Linkage stays with a box (urq linkage for sure matches urq box ) - what's the problem ?

        Sau
        200 20vt 88' 3b, human carrier
        CQ typ85 with AAN inside, see project blog at http://kwlw.blogspot.com

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        • porkkis
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Aug 2003
          • 1994
          • Country: Finland

          #5
          If your 3B comes from a 200 then use all its bits. If it comes out of a S2 then there are some points you should notice:
          I think you should use the WR flywheel (+clutch stuff of course). Or MC, RR or 3B 200. If you will use something else than RR/3B 200 then make sure your starter ring toot count matches the one of 3B engines 135 tooth.
          Also there is a reference pin befind the flywheel. That must be exactly as in RR/3B. I've heard of different flywheels with slightly different pin positions and not nearly all flywheels even have the pin.
          -

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          • sal_s2
            S2Forum Extremist
            • Jul 2003
            • 1291
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            You will have to get a needle bearing and tap it into the crank in the s2 engine. Use your wr flywheel and clutch assembly

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            • DJones
              S2Forum Fiend
              • Jun 2005
              • 2020
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              Check the dims of the gearbox input shaft as i think there are two sizes of needle bearings. If you can get a 3b 200 or RR flywheel its a better job as there is more choice of clutch kits available plus the WR is so heavy.

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              • dirtybarry
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                • Jun 2006
                • 282
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                thanks for the info. i have s2 3b engine and flywheel and wr engine and 016 gearbox. so what i need to do is get the wr needle bearing and tap it into the crank in the s2 3b engine. is this correct? also is there anything needed to alter on the roller bearing. i was lookin to use http://www.034motorsport.com/product...7d43359fff3683 (this flywheel with)
                http://www.034motorsport.com/product...7d43359fff3683 (with this clutch). would these componets be compatable. thanks
                1986 urquattro 20v 3b

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                • ~Delta
                  S2Forum Maniac
                  • Apr 2005
                  • 797

                  #9
                  I fitted an RR engine into my type 85 Coupe quattro, retaining the 016 tranny. I used a WR flywheel and clutch, and pressed a WR needle bearing into the rear of the RR crank. All worked fine, 3B set up is exactly the same.
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                  • Corey
                    Banned
                    • Sep 2003
                    • 2793
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Originally posted by dirtybarry
                    would these componets be compatable. thanks
                    Yes.
                    Corey
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                    • Urquattro20V
                      S2Forum Fanatic
                      • Jun 2005
                      • 59
                      • Country: Norway

                      #11
                      Hey guys,

                      Let's say I wanted to fit a sintered clutch to my RR urq, what would need changing? Can i keep the flywheel? Is there a kit available?

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                      • DJones
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                        • Jun 2005
                        • 2020
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #12
                        Yes, i have a sintered (sprung) clutch on mine, Aelred is your man just strugling to get them at the mo..

                        You dont need to change anything just get the three part clutch kit.

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                        • DJones
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                          • Jun 2005
                          • 2020
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #13
                          Originally posted by dirtybarry
                          thanks for the info. i have s2 3b engine and flywheel and wr engine and 016 gearbox. so what i need to do is get the wr needle bearing and tap it into the crank in the s2 3b engine. is this correct? also is there anything needed to alter on the roller bearing. i was lookin to use http://www.034motorsport.com/product...7d43359fff3683 (this flywheel with)
                          http://www.034motorsport.com/product...7d43359fff3683 (with this clutch). would these componets be compatable. thanks

                          I think from memory that you can get the centre of the 3b flywheel machined out to allow the 016 gearbox to pass through into your new bearing...

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                          • dirtybarry
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                            • Jun 2006
                            • 282
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Originally posted by DJones
                            I think from memory that you can get the centre of the 3b flywheel machined out to allow the 016 gearbox to pass through into your new bearing...
                            so would i need to get this fly wheel machined out? http://www.034motorsport.com/product...7d43359fff3683 or will this bolt stright on?
                            1986 urquattro 20v 3b

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