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  • Error404
    Super Moderator
    • Mar 2007
    • 19789
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #31
    Not hard but expensive. Probably cheaper to fit a 01E with slightly longer ratios already fitted i.e. DSY / FDP out of a B5 S4/RS4
    Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
    Indigo ABY coupé
    Imola B6 S4 Avant

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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #32
      Yes the B5 S4 is geared slightly higher than the S2.

      There is also a nice 0.56 gearing in 6th from some late nineties / early noughties 01E diesel boxes but the other ratios are a bit mad and some are not 37/9 final drive.

      Cheapest route is probably to get the right 'box from a breaker and pull 6th cogs out of it.

      I am actually thinking more of the B6 S4 which runs at silly engine speed on the mway in 6th. One for a rainy day I think - got enough on my plate !
      Paul Nugent
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      • Error404
        Super Moderator
        • Mar 2007
        • 19789
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #33
        Ah ha. Well your B6 is not an 01E, its the OA3 box. JHM do an off-the-shelf longer 6th for it. But it is far far too long, stupid long IMHO.

        Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
        Indigo ABY coupé
        Imola B6 S4 Avant

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        • campbellWS
          S2Forum Addict
          • Oct 2010
          • 446
          • Country: Scotland

          #34
          I got a couple of broken tdi boxes cheap...(selectors&rear flange not gears) and salvaged a useable unit. Depending on which chassis there may be a bit of a mix&match job with shafts and cv's, after a chat with said wizard I may part and spherical weld front flanges for my project which makes good for replacing parts later on.

          Gazza I think your right about it being tall, might be too much. Hx40 should take care of that hopefully would like to see same setup/power drag with tdi&o16. 60mph rpm's too.

          I have an entire tdi box in spares if anyone needs bits

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          • S2central.net
            Retired OG Mod
            • Jul 2003
            • 16590
            • Country: Northern Ireland

            #35
            Originally posted by Error404
            Ah ha. Well your B6 is not an 01E, its the OA3 box. JHM do an off-the-shelf longer 6th for it. But it is far far too long, stupid long IMHO.

            http://jhmotorsports.com/shop/catalo...h=21_56_61_105
            I stand corrected - bit lazy with my 'box terminology there, but yes that JHM kit is some factory Audi cogs from a diesel box - the long 6th ratio is fine for cruising... would pay for itself in fuel savings after a while but its not a casual modification !
            Paul Nugent
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            1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

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            • speeding-g60
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Aug 2008
              • 1186
              • Country: United States

              #36
              Originally posted by bartolomeus
              I've just bought a 2.5 tdi A4 01E gearbox. Want to link it to 2.2t engine on ABY chassis.
              Questions that I have:



              1) Are 01e tdi gearboxes direct swap? No other modifications?
              **01E swaps for 01E physically, with out problems in my experience. some, like the RS2 have different mounting for shift linkages, etc. and i dont remember about Procon or whatever.... and then the final drive (3.89, 4.11, 4.35) stuff as well.
              2) I see the 2.5 tdi A4 01E gearbox has 3.89 diff ratio and I know 2.2t 01e gearboxes have the diff with 4.11 ratio, can I change the front diff from a petrol gearbox and put it to the tdi gearbox? Thus resolving the problem?
              **no you cannot that easliy. it is not the diff you need to change, rather the ring and pinion for the front diff. the diff is physically the same part. and to be really correct, the shaft should stay with the box it came from, as well the diff should stay unless you want to buy new bearings and shims and do all of the preloading and shimming.
              3) Are tdi 01e gearboxes really stronger than petrol ones?
              **not in my experience. i have ran 9 second 1/4's on all of the ones i have tried. TDI, RS2, B5S4, etc.
              4) Is the allroad 01e 2.5tdi gearbox the strongest of them all?
              **doesnt the Allroad 01E have a 4.35 final drive? thus you would need the Allroad rear diff as well. it does also have slightly different gear ratios than regular 01E gearboxes as well
              5) I see 01e A4 1.9tdi gearbox has the same 4.11 diff ratio, thus no diff swap, but it is stronger than petrol 01e gearbox?
              **not in my experience.
              and then of course the output flange sizes..... all 01E are 108 in my experience. when you want to use in an 01A car you put B5A4 rear diff flanges into it. or two right side B2 4000 Q rear diff flanges into it.

              i run 630+ wtq on a (now) stock B5S4 01E, 2001 or so. just fine. it exploded the top of the rear diff the only launch it did this year, and that was with power down around 760 awhp and 570 wtq @ 38psi. but the trans is just fine.

              the only 01E i have broken were the UrS4 5 speed, narrow, first, and then i finished off some already grinding 3/4 syncros in the TDI 01E i was loaned and beat up for a year plus.

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              • Jiri
                S2Forum Addict
                • Dec 2011
                • 254
                • Country: Belgium

                #37
                So is there an option for my rs2 gearbox for a longer 6th gear?

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                • bartolomeus
                  S2Forum Extremist
                  • Jan 2009
                  • 1475
                  • Country: Romania

                  #38
                  Yes it is.
                  I will share my experience at this moment.
                  I have a diesel quattro 01e gearbox. I will change its internal diff with the one from a petrol 01e gearbox (to match the diff ratio).
                  Then I will upload the gearbox to the RS2.
                  I will come back with more details once it's done.

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                  • F.C.
                    S2Forum Tinkerer
                    • Feb 2015
                    • 1
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #39
                    Newbie question 01E box

                    Please be gentle, this is my first post and I'm sure this question has been asked a lot but I can't find the answer in the search.
                    I have a mid engine car with a V8 Chevrolet, adapter plate and drive shafts aside,
                    I'm looking for a transaxle (2.7 Diesel??) that can handle 900+bhp and >650lbs/ft.
                    I'm told there is an Audi 01e that will suit, I' am looking for a box that is geared for 200-220mph on 18" rims @7000 RPM engine speed.
                    Or am I stuck with a Porsche G50/52?

                    ETS This is two wheel rear drive 1100Kgs

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                    • Zoig
                      S2Forum Maniac
                      • Sep 2008
                      • 555
                      • Country: Estonia

                      #40
                      01E type diesel fwd box hould be enough to pass that target.

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                      • S_o_n_y
                        S2Forum Hobbyist
                        • Jan 2025
                        • 12
                        • Country: Sweden

                        #41
                        Hi everyone !
                        I have some Gearbox questions and i cant be any smarter browsing the whole internet.
                        I have a S2 (chassi from S2 and body from a Cab) 7A Turbo with a bolted 01A gearbox with 4:11 ratio and 5 speed. Now the previous owner didnt go easy on this one so when i maped it, it died on me. Lost every gear except for third, but you cant drive it though it sounded really bad. The car has 300hp on the wheels.

                        So here is my question or questions

                        Witch gearbox will fit this car with so little modifications at all and right 4:11 ratio ?

                        Ive found some Passat 4motions on the scrapyard with 01A and like one 01e ?!
                        I am also get a 01x for free from a A6 TDI 05-11, but i dont know if it would fit ?

                        Thanks in advance

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                        • S_o_n_y
                          S2Forum Hobbyist
                          • Jan 2025
                          • 12
                          • Country: Sweden

                          #42
                          Ive found two boxes. One from an Audi A6 05-11 with the nr 01x301103/01x301315F, CSH-ZML.
                          And the other one from a Passat 4motion 2,3 2001. Nr on this one is 01A300047TX EYH.

                          Where can i find info about the Diff Ratio ? i need 4:11 and not 3:89

                          Last edited by S_o_n_y; 21 January 2025, 08:56.

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                          • rxl
                            S2Forum Extremist
                            • May 2012
                            • 1913
                            • Country: Germany

                            #43
                            Originally posted by S_o_n_y
                            Ive found two boxes. One from an Audi A6 05-11 with the nr 01x301103/01x301315F, CSH-ZML.
                            And the other one from a Passat 4motion 2,3 2001. Nr on this one is 01A300047TX EYH.

                            Where can i find info about the Diff Ratio ? i need 4:11 and not 3:89

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                            • K Simmonds
                              S2Forum Zealot
                              • Dec 2007
                              • 7632
                              • Country: Wales

                              #44
                              2.8 V6 C4 quattro's use a 01A Five speed with a 4.11 final drive they bolt straight up but you'll need to fabricate the side mounts which is easy enough with some 1/4" plate steel... If you can find one from a 30V the ratios will even be pretty close to spot on for a 20VT engine and it'll have the 108mm driveshaft flanges.

                              I do happen to have a good 30V one spare but sending it to Sweden will be dam expensive.
                              1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
                              1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
                              1994 MTM RS2.
                              1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
                              2000 B5 TQS.

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                              • S_o_n_y
                                S2Forum Hobbyist
                                • Jan 2025
                                • 12
                                • Country: Sweden

                                #45
                                Thank you ! Perfect, that is what im looking for. See directly that non of my above gearboxes above can be used. The only one that is a direct fit for my car i a box with Code ENC and are installed in Passat 2002 2.0 4motion 115hk, and in sweden we have like two of these
                                So the box to go for is a A6 Quattro 2.4. they have a 01A with 4:11, but the driveshaft flanges seems to be another modell on them. So i maybe need to build custom driveshafts ?
                                Or does anyone know witch driveshafts that fits ?
                                I have this one in my S2.


                                And this is the A6 2.4 quattro gearbox


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