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  • Rusty
    Super Moderator
    • Jun 2004
    • 18953
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #1

    Clutch replacement

    Clutch is getting heavier and heavier so I think it's time for a new one. What do I want for approx 350bhp capability? I'm thinking standard replacement as I want to minimise costs.

    I'm thinking that I need to replace the slave cylinder whilst the box is off, what else do i need to consider?

    Gear linkage?
    'box mounts?
    Cheers'en, AndyC
    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss
  • Rusty
    Super Moderator
    • Jun 2004
    • 18953
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #2
    Right, clutch from GSF is £152+VAT and clutch from VAG Parts is £154+VAT.

    What do people think to fitting a single mass flywheel and 3B clutch? I'm under the impression it sharpens up rthrottle response a bit as it's lighter? Anyone done this? I'll get searching!
    Cheers'en, AndyC
    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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    • S2central.net
      Retired OG Mod
      • Jul 2003
      • 16590
      • Country: Northern Ireland

      #3
      IIWU - go for the SM flywheel from the 3B - this has a couple of advantages.

      Firstly its lighter so the engine can accelerate faster - makes it more free revving
      Secondly on the 3B flywheel you get a few options of motorsport spec clutches from Sachs and others if you like.

      Only disadvantage with SM flywheel is that the drive is less refined - gearchanges perhaps not as smooth and higher driveline noise... The DM flywheel (heavy big brute it is) absorbs that nicely but makes engine a tad less revvy.

      Watch out for spigot bearing and flywheel bolts - they are different between ABY and 3B. Go for it !

      Paul
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      • A80Avant
        S2Forum Obsessed
        • Sep 2005
        • 10873
        • Country: Greece

        #4
        you could go with sachs organic clutch which is good for 500Nm of torgue,better than rs2 original

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        • Crawford_S2
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Jul 2003
          • 1555
          • Home: Scotland Current: England

          #5
          Will watch this with an eye to doing the same soon, keep us posted!
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          • Rusty
            Super Moderator
            • Jun 2004
            • 18953
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #6
            Having read a few posts it seems like I need this... and as a bonus, I can get an uprated clutch too!

            So I need a single mass flyweel and a clutch for 3B. I remove the box spacer off the car and move the engine on the engine mounts to take up the 10mm or so gap that results.

            I like the idea of more revvy engine and can't do a clean gear change to save my life so no need to care about that

            GSF want £179 for the clutch for a 3B, that's more expensive than the ABY!
            Cheers'en, AndyC
            1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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            • Rusty
              Super Moderator
              • Jun 2004
              • 18953
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #7
              With the dollar being wuite weak at present the Spec clutch from 034 seems good value at less than $400! http://www.034motorsport.com/index.php?cPath=28_88
              Cheers'en, AndyC
              1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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              • Rusty
                Super Moderator
                • Jun 2004
                • 18953
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #8
                Originally posted by Andy_Casey
                With the dollar being quite weak at present the Spec clutch from 034 seems good value at less than $400 for the 3B version! http://www.034motorsport.com/index.php?cPath=28_88
                Just looing for a Sachs sports clutch...

                No luck yet. Any pointers?
                Last edited by Rusty; 5 November 2007, 17:51.
                Cheers'en, AndyC
                1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                • Corey
                  Banned
                  • Sep 2003
                  • 2793
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Andy_Casey
                  With the dollar being wuite weak at present the Spec clutch from 034 seems good value at less than $400! http://www.034motorsport.com/index.php?cPath=28_88
                  ideally you need either the stage3 or 3+. You'll fry anything else. Obviously the price goes up with the better spec.
                  Corey
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                  • Rusty
                    Super Moderator
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 18953
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #10
                    Originally posted by Corey
                    ideally you need either the stage3 or 3+. You'll fry anything else. Obviously the price goes up with the better spec.
                    The car is only 300 bhp at present and I am on a limited budget so not really up for spending £300+ on a clutch right now. What sort of prices are the Spec 3 and 3+ clutches?

                    A few questions:-

                    Are the RS2 and S2 clutches the same?

                    Anyone got a vendor for a Sachs sports clutch 3B / ABY?

                    Anyone got a single mass flywheel for sale?
                    Cheers'en, AndyC
                    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                    • Rusty
                      Super Moderator
                      • Jun 2004
                      • 18953
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #11
                      Quick summary so far.

                      ECP do Luk clutches.
                      GSF have quoted me £179+ for a Sachs clutch, £365+ for a DM flywheel (not that I asked but it's interesting nonetheless).
                      Proven products want £269 and £289 for a 3B and ABY Sachs clutch, £455 for a Sachs sports clutch for the ABY.
                      Quattronics have offered a Spec 3 for around £400.
                      GSF can only supply a Luk clutch for the 3B flywheel, again at £179+
                      Last edited by Rusty; 6 November 2007, 13:08.
                      Cheers'en, AndyC
                      1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                      • LHD_Kid
                        S2Forum Possessed
                        • May 2006
                        • 3697
                        • Home: England Current: Belgium

                        #12
                        I reckon you also need to budget in for a new slave cylinder, and rear main oil seal while you are in there....
                        Chris
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                        • 4WheelDrifter
                          S2Forum Zealot
                          • Oct 2004
                          • 5773
                          • Country: Devon

                          #13
                          Originally posted by Andy_Casey
                          GSF have quoted me £179+ for a Sachs clutch, £365+ for a DM flywheel (not that I asked but it's interesting nonetheless).
                          They probably quoted you a DM flywheel as it seems to be common to replace these at the same time as the clutch on 1.8Ts for example. Mostly for the girly TT and A3 drivers that ride the clutch everywhere and overheat them probably.
                          SS

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                          • Rusty
                            Super Moderator
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 18953
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #14
                            Cheers guys, got the rear seal and bearing on the list Budget is going to dictate this one, I'm currently going to get a VAG Parts genuine one as getting the flywheel an slave is going to cost a bit too.
                            Cheers'en, AndyC
                            1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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