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  • hunker7
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    • Mar 2014
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    #1

    Differential rebuild?

    I have bought a spare differential which I'd like to get cleaned, all oil seals changed before it goes onto my S4. While I can do all the seals and stuff, changing bearings is a different ballgame. So my question is, how do you determine if bearings need changing? I'm sure it's few hundred quid in labour alone. I've heard diffs themselves are pretty bulletproof?

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  • RichLV
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    • Mar 2015
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    #2
    Visual damage marks, they get excessively loud when spun and the spinning sensation is not smooth. Excess play can also be a factor, but depends on the bearing type.

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    • hunker7
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      #3
      Originally posted by RichLV
      Visual damage marks, they get excessively loud when spun and the spinning sensation is not smooth. Excess play can also be a factor, but depends on the bearing type.
      So taking it apart is something that can be done at home?
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      • RichLV
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        #4
        Yeah. You would need a puller of somekind to get bearings off.


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        • hunker7
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          #5
          Originally posted by RichLV
          Yeah. You would need a puller of somekind to get bearings off.


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          That's good to know. I always thought it is a very specialist job to do bearings and things as they're press fitted. I guess I'll just take it apart and see what condition they're in.

          Any suggestions on where to get seals and what brand is best? I guess you can go wrong with Reinz and Erling.
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          • mac2226
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            • Jun 2008
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            #6
            Yes they can be removed at home and then rebuilt with new bearings and shims seals with right tools,depending how worn bearings are usually just seals only need replacing like I did on my own,but the drain plug was seized and oxidised really bad nothing you can't sort out with bench drill

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            • hunker7
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              #7
              Originally posted by mac2226
              Yes they can be removed at home and then rebuilt with new bearings and shims seals with right tools,depending how worn bearings are usually just seals only need replacing like I did on my own,but the drain plug was seized and oxidised really bad nothing you can't sort out with bench drill
              Thats great to hear. In that case I might as well do them if I have it on the table, I have a press at work too what tools do I need, anything specialist? Looked on Ebay and it seems it'll be about £100 in bearings.
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              • mac2226
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                #8
                Originally posted by hunker7
                Thats great to hear. In that case I might as well do them if I have it on the table, I have a press at work too what tools do I need, anything specialist? Looked on Ebay and it seems it'll be about £100 in bearings.
                I used a really big bearing puller to pull side casing of to start with as there's tabs be gentle as they can snap if you just attack it also I used a rubber mallet And some penetrating fluid as I gently pulled the casing each time it moved making sure it was equal gaps through out removing casing there was really thin shims in Mine so I reused them also buy new Allen bolts I got mine from Quattro corner and small seal big seal was from a s2forum member can't remember user name Pauluis?! I think the Allen head bolts need torque up properly as I found out I over tightend them

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                • Vorsprung durch Technik
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                  #9
                  If you do this Janis,would you take pictures of the process including changing the diff seals? Will be doing this on Lee's car as his seals need changing.
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                  • RichLV
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                    #10
                    I'll be going through the same process, when swapping the diff for a torsen. Pictures would be useful.

                    As for seals - OEM, Reinz or Elring. Ordering OEM you'll most likely get Reinz. x)

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                    • mcandmar
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                      #11
                      OE seals are made by Corteco, see here.. http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showpos...&postcount=154

                      Bearings i would leave well alone until they are noisy, note replacing and shimming is a royal pain in the butt.
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                      • hunker7
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                        #12
                        I'll take as many pictures as possible

                        Originally posted by mcandmar
                        OE seals are made by Corteco, see here.. http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showpos...&postcount=154

                        Bearings i would leave well alone until they are noisy, note replacing and shimming is a royal pain in the butt.
                        So when I get the diff should I just turn it and listen for any bad noises? I don't fancy putting it on the car and realising it needs to come back out. Saying that my 200k+ diff in mine isn't making any noises.
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                        • RichLV
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                          #13
                          The diff itself doesn't make any noises by hand turns unless completely shot. Those noises you will only hear at speed.

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                          • mcandmar
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                            #14
                            The outer race is pressed into the housing, while the bearing rollers stay on the diff so it will be easy to visually inspect them. For the input shaft you can just rotate it and feel for any resistance. Honesty the chances of the bearings being bad are remote, i don't recall ever hearing of anyone having issues with them.
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                            • hunker7
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                              #15
                              I guess I'll just start taking it apart and see what it throws up. I'll do my best to take pictures.

                              Thanks for the information guys

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