The politics/election thread

[newsh]

Doesn't matter who you vote for, the government always get in.

[Fat Audi 80]

[jogi730]

I think you'll find the votes for conservative have more to do with the fact that noneof the other parties are really an option. Lib Dem actually look to be less in touch with reality than even Lord Such and co. Its more a case of enough of Labour but theres no choice.

As for the Voting. After every BiElection/Election they crowabout voting figures, how more people need to vote etc etc.Nothing was mentioned after the last se of Bi Elections, which makes me think the turn out was abysmal and possibly headed towards single figure percentages. Something has to be seen to work for people to want to be part of it.

At the end of the day the system is seen as broken as the perception anyone can make a difference had now gone. Labour and everyone else have ridden roughshot over everything the country stood for and ignored the wishes of everyone except the 'think of the children brigade/ramblers/bankers/insert vocal minority of choice'. Then when theyve done that they have allowed big businesses that are in danger of becoming extinct not only take massive hand-outs of our money but also set the laws of our country.

Labour have messed it up big time, wasted soooooo much money. How much would the money from the bank bail outs, failed ID card scheme, NHS-IT, tons of new quangos and beurocratic red tape done spent elsewhere. 1bn on the roads for example rather than on an IT system that doesnt work, it late, no one uses and is now cancelled. The conservaties will actuvely have to work to live up to the size of the current screw ups, but i'm sure they can do it.

I'll vote for whomever breaks up Crapita et al and apoints companies that can do the job, reminds public servants what the name means and starts retoration of sanity.

Right, just need to go out side, someone mentioned pink flying pigs outside...

Don't tarnish all public servants with the same brush. I work for the Fire Brigade and along with nurses and the Police are being shat on by the government, top heavy management, media spin which in turn is turning public opinion against all public sector workers.
They have decided that our pension has to be reformed as it costs so much money. Well let me tell you I pay over £300 a month for my final salary pension. I have done so for almost 25 years and now that I am nearing my retirement they want to change the rules. Much of the crisis is due to the Fire Service and police having no pension fund. And why is that> Basically because for years the authorities squandered all contributions on equipment etc as they were not funded properly by the government.

I will not be voting for anyone cos they are all the same and I don't feel any of the parties are worthy of my vote. Some of the BNP's ideas (SOME!!!!!) are sound enough, but being ethnic background myself I cannot go that root for sure, let alone the stuff they are not telling you.
Whatever happens, we're all doomed!

[Evilgoat76]

Don't tarnish all public servants with the same brush. I work for the Fire Brigade and along with nurses and the Police are being shat on by the government, top heavy management, media spin which in turn is turning public opinion against all public sector workers.
They have decided that our pension has to be reformed as it costs so much money. Well let me tell you I pay over £300 a month for my final salary pension. I have done so for almost 25 years and now that I am nearing my retirement they want to change the rules. Much of the crisis is due to the Fire Service and police having no pension fund. And why is that> Basically because for years the authorities squandered all contributions on equipment etc as they were not funded properly by the government.

I will not be voting for anyone cos they are all the same and I don't feel any of the parties are worthy of my vote. Some of the BNP's ideas (SOME!!!!!) are sound enough, but being ethnic background myself I cannot go that root for sure, let alone the stuff they are not telling you.
Whatever happens, we're all doomed!

I'm Ex Ambulance service so I wasnt including you guys in that. Technically yes you are civil servants but in this case thats meant from the political take on things, not including the poor people at the bottom taking the flack. BTDT, never again.

DOOMED!

[3b_aby]

yogi since you touched on pensions i think its an ideal time to raise the little known fact that in g browns first budget "time for change" he removed the tax credit repayments from all pensions schemes and effectively reduced the dividend and interest income for ALL pension schemes by 20% (the value of the tax credits) per annum

that was in 1997...imagine how much more every persons pension would be worth if that money had not been stolen/ squandered every year since?

this along with the sale of most of our gold, immigration policies, too many of the wrong sorts of public servants, expense scandals, deregulation of banks, bushes war, soft touch Financially Supine Authority etc etc yada yada yada

i was angry then and have been in a state of disbelief after every election since

who votes for these muppets?

[dest]

The live debate between the 3 main candidates on ITV starts at 8:30 if anyone is interested

[Colesy]

Brown:

"Net inward migration is falling as a result of the measures we have taken"

Nothing to do with the collapse of the ****ing pound then?!?!!

[curlyks2]

who votes for these muppets?

People who can remember (rightly or wrongly) inflation at 20%+ for years under the Conservatives led by Maggie.

Brown: "Net inward migration is falling as a result of the measures we have taken" Nothing to do with the collapse of the ****ing pound then?!?!!

The collapse of the pound was (partly) caused by the measures that Brown (as chancellor at the time) did/didn't put in place, so I guess technically he's right...

[s2driveruk]

interesting...bit stiff at the start but once it got going, you have to say Clegg was very convincing, cameron just looked plastic and a bit rabbit in the headlights at times.

[bertman]

I thought I would sit and watch this so called "first of its kind" debate.Well what of waste of 90mins of my life.I had to fight the urge to go and paint something and watch it dry.I have never watched something so phoney and orchestrated .They had obviously practised to they were blue in the face,or in the case of Gordon Brown-grey in the face.They all promised this and that,and as usual danced around the edges and gave no real explanation to anything!
Without any heckling or the ability for the audience to challege any of the answers they were given the whole thing stunk like a skunks ****.
I for one will not be tuning in to another of these shams.Not one of them convinced me in the slightest to go out and vote for them.They all come from the same collective bucket of bullsh"t that all politicians come from.
Now where did I leave my paint?

[Fat Audi 80]

I thought I would sit and watch this so called "first of its kind" debate.Well what of waste of 90mins of my life.I had to fight the urge to go and paint something and watch it dry.I have never watched something so phoney and orchestrated .They had obviously practised to they were blue in the face,or in the case of Gordon Brown-grey in the face.They all promised this and that,and as usual danced around the edges and gave no real explanation to anything!
Without any heckling or the ability for the audience to challege any of the answers they were given the whole thing stunk like a skunks ****.
I for one will not be tuning in to another of these shams.Not one of them convinced me in the slightest to go out and vote for them.They all come from the same collective bucket of bullsh"t that all politicians come from.
Now where did I leave my paint?

I disagree, although I realise it was heavily scripted and practised it was a great opportunity to see what the three leaders are really like under the spotlight.

IMO Clegg is the only one who seemed to actually tell us what he wants to do and how he would do it. The other two spent too much time trying to take each other down. Clegg was the winner for me, Cameron a bit transparent and patronising and Brown seems past his sell by date to me and a bit sad!