Spot the Motorbike

[S2central.net]

Yeah that photo is lacking in blood, guts, mashed brains and assorted body parts - must have been reconstructed from the wreckage. I've calmed down now...

Haven't had a drink in weeks so errr sorry 'bout that lil outburst of colourful language - someone has to test the old swear filter.

[quattroTurbo]

If the bike was doing 60 or 70mph this accident would probably not have happened. The clever bikers are the ones that know they are hard to see and do their speeding in remote places.

There is no logical answer for families who have lost kin.

[Bremo]

If the bike was doing 60 or 70mph this accident would probably not have happened. The clever bikers are the ones that know they are hard to see and do their speeding in remote places.

I totally agree..

As far as I know Sweden has a far share of remote, empty, stretched and easy to oversee roads.

I also agree that there is quite a large share of "motorcyclist" that buy a bike the size of a moped with an engine similar to a nuclear powerplant just they think it looks good. Aren't these people called "Born-agains" on your side of the Pond? Or "Power Rangers" in case they also happen to have a suit in the same color as the bike..

[Ritch66]

Whos to say it was the bikers fault?

I don't conndone this sort of thing but most accidents involving bikes are caused by car driver not looking and not waching. I used to work at a pub in Harrogate where all the bikers go and most of them are sensible but just like us lot in cars they like to have a mad 5 mins. It is a shame and a major loss for some people. If it was a cross section and the biker hit the side of the car then the car must have pulled out

Man think about what you have said.....driver of car probably looking with 20/20 vision aint gonna see the crazy *** biker cumin towards him @ that stupid speed (155mph+)

Get some realism dude and get away from the bike protective agency!

"If it was a cross section and the biker hit the side of the car then the car must have pulled out" - your words - = yeah bud, if the driver of the car thought the bike was at a legal speed 30,40,50...60 tops!!!!!!"

Get real fella.................... Some respect is due ... mock cumcher.!

[Jamo]

Whos to say it was the bikers fault?

I don't conndone this sort of thing but most accidents involving bikes are caused by car driver not looking and not waching. I used to work at a pub in Harrogate where all the bikers go and most of them are sensible but just like us lot in cars they like to have a mad 5 mins. It is a shame and a major loss for some people. If it was a cross section and the biker hit the side of the car then the car must have pulled out

The bike was doing 155 mph and your claiming it was the car drivers fault?

Dude go back to school or join greenpeace to fight a better cause.

This is what p*sses me off about some bikers claiming car drivers are at fault for accidents but they never take responsibility for daft acts or weaving in and out of traffic or racing up the inside of a car.

[Ritch66]

Ditto Jamo....................

[mcandmar]

So true, most of my mates are bikers and i have to put up with this all the time, car drivers this, car drivers that. Most of them walk with a limp as they have all been knocked off there bikes by cars changing lanes and "not seeing them". ....what they dont seem to realize is that the white line down the middle of the road isnt a third lane made specifically for bikes

LOL @ Paul, you feeling better mate

[Markarina]

I ride a bike and drive an S2, the only time you'll see me riding down the white line is when the cars are doing no more than 15mph and even then the most I'll be doing is 20mph.

I've been riding a bike for 3-4yrs (yes I'm in my 40's but it was more because it does twice the mpg that the S2 does and I can still have a grin on my face when I get to work) I've had a couple of scares but no close calls with cars pulling out and not seeing me and these have been in 30 zones when I've been doing 30, they've not been close calls because we've both had plenty of time to react.

I would have to agree with the majority that approaching a junction at 155 is asking for trouble.

[newsh]

I've been riding bikes since I was 16 (actually 15 ) which is over 40 yrs.
I currently own 2 superbikes an R1 and 916, a dirt bike and 2 quatttros. I sometimes go quite quick. I'm still alive.
If you have an accident on a bike your observation is bad, the police riders handbook says this. I've had a few involving cars one of them the driver procecuted and licence lost for putting me in hospital but making it their fault doesn't unbreak your leg, so you survive the extreme danger of motorcycling, you hope, by being VERY observant.
Of course if you're doing a ton down a deserted motorway and a deer jumps out on you your time is up.
If you ride down the road at 30 in a 30 limit thinking I'm in the right and if anyone pulls out on me its their fault (cos they will!) you are going to die before your time.

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[newsh]

Yeah that photo is lacking in blood, guts, mashed brains and assorted body parts - must have been reconstructed from the wreckage. I've calmed down now...

Haven't had a drink in weeks so errr sorry 'bout that lil outburst of colourful language - someone has to test the old swear filter.

That was quite impressive Paul, interesting filtering.

[newsh]

I ride a bike and drive an S2, the only time you'll see me riding down the white line is when the cars are doing no more than 15mph and even then the most I'll be doing is 20mph.

Watch out, when the cars are going slow they are more likely to do a U turn or open the door to empty an ash tray

Buy the police riders handbook (I'm not old bill but its a great method for advanced riding) Get yourself some advanced training, usually ex police riders. You go quicker (if you want to) and certainly safer.

I would have to agree with the majority that approaching a junction at 155 is asking for trouble.

Completely insane.

[newsh]

From another forum, this is not me this is someone else, but I agree with his comments about the general standard of driving.

I've seriously thought about packing in road riding lately. A few months ago, I found myself bouncing off the side of a Peugeot estate after it turned across in front of me. I lost my nerve a bit as cars come a bit hard and look very big when you're suddenly a yard from the side of one doing 30 plus. It made me a bit more wary of cars and their crap drivers and I've developed an even keener 6th sense than I had before.

A couple of weeks ago, this sixth sense nagged at me a bit as I came up the slip-road towards a roundabout. I must've seen something through the corner of my eye as I just felt uneasy about rolling onto an empty roundabout so I hit the brakes and hauled up just in time to see a VW Golf GTi crest the top of the bridge and cross the roundabout in front of me doing somewhere between 50 and 70mph, straight-lining the roundabout. He would have T-boned me for sure and I would definitely have died.

I've commuted to work on my 990 Adventure and previous bikes, almost daily, since 1997. In the first two years of owning a bike, I did 24,000 miles of commuting. But I've had more unexpected pull-outs, U-turns and deliberate attempts to run me off the road in the last year that I have in the previous ten.

Plus, there's no advantage to going to work by bike any more. I used to treat biking as a chance to have fun on the way to work and to trade weather protection for the ability to zip past the traffic and get to work in 10 minutes instead of 30. But there are so many cars on the road now that I can't actually overtake the lines going into town because of the masses driving out of town. Every snot nosed 17 year old is now driving his own hatchback and they all have the road sense of a hedgehog.

[Bremo]

The bike was doing 155 mph and your claiming it was the car drivers fault?

Dude go back to school or join greenpeace to fight a better cause.

This is what p*sses me off about some bikers claiming car drivers are at fault for accidents but they never take responsibility for daft acts or weaving in and out of traffic or racing up the inside of a car.

Take it easy man!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=47LCLoidJh4

Driving a car takes more effort and more concentration.. Cars are bigger, this means you have to have attention to prevent running into things. Or to make sure you won't get next to the road with 2 wheels. Besides that you have 3 mirrors, several blinds spots. Not to mention car stereo, air con, a passenger, a mobile/handsfree kit, a navigation system.. and besides that you don't have everything as easy by hand as you will on a bike. What I'm trying to tell is that driving a car takes more effort, more concentration and more work to make sure you had every blind spot. And all the luxury is just plain distraction, I have got no other words for it.

This is no problem when you can concentrate on the road and on traffic. But there just are quite some people who want to do it al at the same time. Or they get easily distracted by everything.

It's all a lot different when riding a bike. Because you have got almost everything direct at hand. Both brakes, clutch, gear, grips. You don't have to take a hand of the bars to change gear.. and you don't have to re-arrange a foot to engage the brake. And then there is almost no distraction.. no blind spots.. no rear view mirror (or sat nav) permanently hanging in your view. Most riders wear silencers in their ears to lower the noise made by turbulence. This makes up for very little distraction.. and gaps don't pose problems too.. if it's big enough for you it's big enough to fit the bike (most bikes).

Well.. I can go on about differences.. but bikers can complain about "cagers" because they most of the time have time to spare and look at others their misstakes. People driving a car should be aware of the risk they take with all these distractions. And unlike bikers, people tend to know how to ride a car and that's that. Where lots of bikers try to improve their riding (braking, cornering, road position, riding predictive etcetc). They have to if they want to stay alive! This does not mean that all bikers are doing their stuff right. But most know that they should consider themselves invisible to everyone else.

Cars are wide and have 2 lights.. when these are very close together you know the car is far away. But this trick does not work on oncoming bikes. Or worse.. behind the bike is a car running lights as well. Then the bikes light will blend in with those from the car, making it harder to see how far away they are.

I hope this will help non bikers see through bikers eye's, and vice versa. Drive with enthousiasm when you can, drive with care when you must..

[Jamo]

My post doesn't refer to bikers in general just some numpty who seems to think the above accident was not the bikers fault even though he's doing 155 mph and hit the car side on at an intersection.

FYI I know how to ride a bike but chose not to at a young age of around 19 as at least 3 to 4 of my good mates have had serious accidents and I had one as well which left me with a fractured skull.

[DarrenM]

Thats the main trouble with riding bikes on the roads now, its the general population of traffic and its still on the increase. Years ago it seemed a lot safer to go for an early morning blap but not so any more.

Few of my mates have hung up their tax discs and just use their bikes for track days now, others have gone back to the moto-X flavor. I've got pins & plates in arm & leg from bike accident years ago, it never really put me off at the time (in fact bought a gsxR when i was fixed) but with todays traffic, not so much fun..