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  • S2central.net
    Retired OG Mod
    • Jul 2003
    • 16590
    • Country: Northern Ireland

    #46
    Don't be testing that thng too hard until you are sure mixture at WOT is safe...
    Paul Nugent
    Webmaster http://S2central.net
    Administrator http://S2forum.com

    1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
    2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
    2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

    Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

    There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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    • T2Andy
      S2Forum Extremist
      • Mar 2005
      • 1903
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #47
      im not using wot and not taking it over 5500k just to be safe
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      • Greg_S
        Administrator
        • Jul 2003
        • 12430
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #48
        Originally posted by EspenW
        Starting to get a pretty nice database of real life performance now, with whp figures ranging from less than 100hp to 400hp+.
        Yeah a DB on the forum for user readouts would be cool. Can we do FATS on the S2 like the later models?
        Greg

        S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

        '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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        • Rusty
          Super Moderator
          • Jun 2004
          • 18953
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #49
          FATS requires VAGcom but could have some speed tests known by another name. FATS is about 50-80.
          Cheers'en, AndyC
          1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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          • GazzaG60
            S2Forum Freak
            • Mar 2007
            • 4133
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #50
            you could always try relaying up the fuel pump andy. maybe the tuner did this? im not in the know on these but sounds like its backed into a corner by design.

            dont be too down about it rollers are bnetter benchmarking and progress tools than anything else. as Espen says if you want inflated figures pick a dynojet. hp is pub talk.

            if it feels better then thats a good thing. just so you know my pump with bigger injectors manages a further 1krpm or so. so the injectors are only rated slightly less than the max on the pump. good audi balancing.

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            • epic
              S2Forum Extremist
              • Jun 2007
              • 1317
              • Country: England

              #51
              As I discussed with Andy before he bought the engine, I suggested an uprated fuel pump, bigger injectors and custom remap to get the best out of it. This was the route i was intending to go this year before I bought Alex's engine.

              Originally posted by T2Andy
              The thing is it is realy quick now on boost after 4k so it maybe 320\330 bhp afterall
              it shoves so much harder for longer so if it has more to come (safely) i will be well
              happyIm running out of road now much quicker!

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              • EspenW
                S2Forum Extremist
                • Apr 2007
                • 1534
                • Country: Norway

                #52
                Originally posted by Greg_S
                Yeah a DB on the forum for user readouts would be cool. Can we do FATS on the S2 like the later models?
                We sure can, even though I suspect that our Motronic is a little slower than the one in the B5's.
                FATS is 4200 to 6500rpm in 3rd gear on the B5 S4.
                Our gearing is slightly shorter than the B5.

                However, the speed interval is approx 57-91mph.
                Easy as pie to log using vagcom (even the £8 Ebay cables can do this).
                Last time I tested, I got a FATS time of 3.25s on the Vagcom.
                The accelerometer showed 3.16s from 57-91mph, so the values are pretty close.
                1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
                1994 80E Avant
                1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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                • S2central.net
                  Retired OG Mod
                  • Jul 2003
                  • 16590
                  • Country: Northern Ireland

                  #53
                  WTF is FATS on VAGCOM ?

                  Google wants to tell me about FATS domino and FATSlags get a recommendation too - but neither are helpful here.
                  Paul Nugent
                  Webmaster http://S2central.net
                  Administrator http://S2forum.com

                  1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                  2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                  2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                  Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                  There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                  • Rusty
                    Super Moderator
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 18953
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #54
                    For the Advancement of The S4 IIRC. Espen's already posted the measurement RPM range. The speed results will be different to a GPS or accelerometer system due to errors in speed in both systems, mainly the speedometer.

                    Doesn't quite work in S2 world due to 3B and ABY gearing differences in 3/4/5.
                    Cheers'en, AndyC
                    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                    • EspenW
                      S2Forum Extremist
                      • Apr 2007
                      • 1534
                      • Country: Norway

                      #55
                      Originally posted by S2central.net
                      WTF is FATS on VAGCOM ?

                      Google wants to tell me about FATS domino and FATSlags get a recommendation too - but neither are helpful here.
                      Some info:


                      http://forums.audiworld.com/showthread.php?p=13416619
                      http://fats.audi-quattro.org/?PHPSES...c160713bf08468
                      The venerable and oh-so-tuneable B5 S4. When it was released in 1999, it combined great performance, secure handling, comfort, safety, all weather functionality (with standard quattro all wheel drive) and style into a class-busting sport sedan. From the factory the S4’s biturbo 2.7 liter V6 engine produced a modest 250 horsepower and 258 lb/foot of… read more


                      Here is a very interesting article from Audiworld:
                      The venerable and oh-so-tuneable B5 S4. When it was released in 1999, it combined great performance, secure handling, comfort, safety, all weather functionality (with standard quattro all wheel drive) and style into a class-busting sport sedan. From the factory the S4’s biturbo 2.7 liter V6 engine produced a modest 250 horsepower and 258 lb/foot of… read more

                      They first test on a rather low reading Dyno Dynamics dyno, 339whp and 378whp (most likely approx 450 and 500 at the crank, respectively). They then go on to test FATS times with vagcom and get 4.4s and 3.5s.
                      1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
                      1994 80E Avant
                      1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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                      • S2central.net
                        Retired OG Mod
                        • Jul 2003
                        • 16590
                        • Country: Northern Ireland

                        #56
                        'FATS' - now that is the most cryptic nerdy thing I have seen for a while - and I works with a lot of nerds. Jesus... I get it though - we can pick whatever revs and gear we like to do same comparative analysis. The B7 S4 engine tells us how much air its actually consuming which is also a darn fine to objectively see before/after gains in the real worls, but we cannot do this on the S2. All we get is something vaguely related to MAF voltage and only Jason Bourne could find us the MAF response curve to estimate g/s against that so its all a bit moot.

                        However - there is nothing new in using VAGCOM to log live data - a clever spreadsheet converts that data into an estimate power & torque curve so I like the approach if everyone uses the same reference points. This is like the spreadies that Rusty worked on for his GPS gizmo... and GTech uses the same principle only with an accelerometer involved.

                        Shouldn't be hard to standardise a 'FATS2' (rubbish name) for 3B and ABY - whether actual gear ratio differences need to be factored in...
                        Paul Nugent
                        Webmaster http://S2central.net
                        Administrator http://S2forum.com

                        1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                        2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                        2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                        Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                        There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                        • EspenW
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Apr 2007
                          • 1534
                          • Country: Norway

                          #57
                          Absolutely. Pretty simple to make a spreadsheet that calculates acceleration from rpm increase per time unit, and from there into power and torque.

                          I haven't bothered with it, since I have the MR Dyno unit, though, which is designed to be/and seems to be, pretty much dead on with results from the Mustang dynos, and I can analyze everything from those logs.

                          The 4200rpm to 6500 rpm range will work well in our cars though. I barely have peak torque at 4200rpm, but cars that boost even later will suffer.
                          1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
                          1994 80E Avant
                          1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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                          • S2central.net
                            Retired OG Mod
                            • Jul 2003
                            • 16590
                            • Country: Northern Ireland

                            #58
                            Why was 4200 and 6500 chosen by the neuS4 boys ?
                            Paul Nugent
                            Webmaster http://S2central.net
                            Administrator http://S2forum.com

                            1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                            2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                            2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                            Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                            There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                            • S2central.net
                              Retired OG Mod
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 16590
                              • Country: Northern Ireland

                              #59
                              Whats wrong with a wider spread - say 2500 to 7000 in 3rd gear ?
                              Paul Nugent
                              Webmaster http://S2central.net
                              Administrator http://S2forum.com

                              1994 S2 Coupe ABY - aka Project Lazarus
                              2001 A6 allroad 2.5TDi - family tank
                              2003 S4 Avant 4.2 V8 - daily burble

                              Purveyor of HomeFries and Exclusive agent for Samco hose kits (S2/RS2)

                              There are only 10 kinds of people that understand binary - those that do, and those that don't

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                              • EspenW
                                S2Forum Extremist
                                • Apr 2007
                                • 1534
                                • Country: Norway

                                #60
                                No idea why they picked it.
                                Their FD should be the same as ours at 4.11, however, the 3rd gear ratio is 1.23 vs 1.32. Interestingly, the B5 RS4 has a 3rd gear similar to us at 1.32
                                Stock wheel circumferences are similar, if I remember correctly.
                                1995 RS2 on Alcohol (6.8sec 100-200km/h)
                                1994 80E Avant
                                1986 2L Golf 2 on Alcohol

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