KW Variant 1 Coilovers

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  • JP
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Mar 2007
    • 1858
    • Country: United Kingdom

    #91
    Originally posted by Yaz
    FAO RWD19T and Varsity regarding URS6, the price is £895.00 inc VAT for KW Variant 1 Inox Line. Unfortunately V3's aren't available. The next option offered by KW would be a '2 way competition' race setup which is about £2K!

    Your front struts would have to be sent to KW Germany where they will be converted to accommodate the V1 setup. Here are some references by KW:

    -Height adjustable on the front and rear axles (threaded strut housings)
    -Not for vehicles with automatic self leveling control
    -Original struts need to be sent in advance for modification
    -Coilover kits where the strut housings are delivered on exchange basis are only available in galvanized finish
    -The following parts must be used for front-wheel drive and four-wheel drive vehicles without standard sports suspension. (AUDI part nos.: adapter 441 512 347(left) 441 512 348(right) + support bearing 441 512 331 + ring 441 512 367 + curved washer 441 512

    Please let me know if you have any questions.

    Many thanks
    Cheers not a bad price on both accounts. Will they allow us to convert the front shocks ourselves?
    UrS6 Stroker + HTA3586 =

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    • Yaz
      S2Forum Addict
      • May 2007
      • 445
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #92
      Originally posted by RWD19T
      Cheers not a bad price on both accounts. Will they allow us to convert the front shocks ourselves?
      I'm afraid not... Looks like its the only way to get a decent set of coilovers though. I have the same problem with my A100 which is the same situation as yours... It's a bit out my price range unfortunately
      1992 Audi 100 2.8 Quattro
      1993 Audi Cab 2.3
      1995 Audi URS6 Avant
      1999 Audi S8 D2 FL
      2005 Skoda Octavia Elegance Variant TDi
      2012 VW CC BlueMotion Tech DSG

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      • Error404
        Super Moderator
        • Mar 2007
        • 19789
        • Country: United Kingdom

        #93
        Originally posted by Yaz
        Hi Error404, sorry I should have been a bit more clearer. After liaising with KW this morning regarding your query, we need to know the following:

        1. Year and model of vehicle - (...coupe)
        2. Does yours have M12 or M14 strut bolts
        3. And what's the weight over the front axles.

        Sorry it's a pain, but without this info I wouldn't be able to give you the correct data. There are at least 4 different part numbers just for an S2 coupe!

        Many thanks

        year and model is irrelevant as the my car didn't roll out the factory with the running gear its now fitted with, but say 1995 M for arguments sake.
        M14 bolts.
        Weight over front axle must be 900kg+

        HTH
        Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
        Indigo ABY coupé
        Imola B6 S4 Avant

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        • Yaz
          S2Forum Addict
          • May 2007
          • 445
          • Country: United Kingdom

          #94
          Originally posted by Error404
          year and model is irrelevant as the my car didn't roll out the factory with the running gear its now fitted with, but say 1995 M for arguments sake.
          M14 bolts.
          Weight over front axle must be 900kg+

          HTH
          Ok thanks for that, but most crucial part is the weight. Is it more or less than 950kg over front axle?

          Many thanks
          1992 Audi 100 2.8 Quattro
          1993 Audi Cab 2.3
          1995 Audi URS6 Avant
          1999 Audi S8 D2 FL
          2005 Skoda Octavia Elegance Variant TDi
          2012 VW CC BlueMotion Tech DSG

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          • Error404
            Super Moderator
            • Mar 2007
            • 19789
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #95
            borderline! Bit under I would say. not by much mind you
            Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
            Indigo ABY coupé
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            • Rusty
              Super Moderator
              • Jun 2004
              • 18953
              • Country: United Kingdom

              #96
              raymor weighed his Avant for sprinting purposes and the front axle was sub 900kg, so unless you've fitted AC, I'd say that it would be way less than 950kg



              There are 2 sets of springs on stock cars: cars with AC & cars without. There are also different strut insert diameters (later cars are 55mm IIRC, earlier were either 50 or 52mm). All of this might be part of KW's 4 part numbers - it might be worth clarifying with KW what the differences between the <950kg and >950kg and other setups are. Personally, softer springs up front are a better idea, as it'll help with the understeer a little and the CQ shell is going to be lighter than the later S2 coupe - better to sort the handling with springs than ARBs etc.

              Ciaran's V3s had 400lb front, 360lb rear springs on it IIRC. He encountered issues with the rear being too low and had to have some parts modified to sort the rear toe out (they go toe in under load and toe out when raised up - this was a selling point on a 306 GTI6, so it must be good ) This might not be an issue if you go for a more HnR rideheight.

              Coupe HnRs are of the order of 210lb, avant fronts are 236lb - this comes from Lloyd's sticky thread in the suspension section. HTH
              Cheers'en, AndyC
              1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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              • Yaz
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                • May 2007
                • 445
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #97
                Originally posted by Error404
                borderline! Bit under I would say. not by much mind you
                Ok mate. I was just thinking about this, if you have a 6 speed box and a/c etc then yours probably will be the heavier option. Thing is that spring rates will be different between the two. I will ask the rates for both.
                1992 Audi 100 2.8 Quattro
                1993 Audi Cab 2.3
                1995 Audi URS6 Avant
                1999 Audi S8 D2 FL
                2005 Skoda Octavia Elegance Variant TDi
                2012 VW CC BlueMotion Tech DSG

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                • Error404
                  Super Moderator
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 19789
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #98
                  Originally posted by Yaz
                  Ok mate. I was just thinking about this, if you have a 6 speed box and a/c etc then yours probably will be the heavier option. Thing is that spring rates will be different between the two. I will ask the rates for both.
                  no it will the the lighter option. but yes both rates will be useful, thanks.
                  Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                  Indigo ABY coupé
                  Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                  • Yaz
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                    • May 2007
                    • 445
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #99
                    Originally posted by Error404
                    no it will the the lighter option. but yes both rates will be useful, thanks.
                    Ok ive just come off the phone to KW and they will contact their tech team regarding this. I will let you know soon mate
                    1992 Audi 100 2.8 Quattro
                    1993 Audi Cab 2.3
                    1995 Audi URS6 Avant
                    1999 Audi S8 D2 FL
                    2005 Skoda Octavia Elegance Variant TDi
                    2012 VW CC BlueMotion Tech DSG

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                    • Error404
                      Super Moderator
                      • Mar 2007
                      • 19789
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #100
                      great. I think it will be useful info for anyone considering this upgrade
                      Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                      Indigo ABY coupé
                      Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                      • Yaz
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                        • May 2007
                        • 445
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #101
                        Originally posted by Error404
                        no it will the the lighter option. but yes both rates will be useful, thanks.
                        Here are the spring rates for Audi S2 Coupe with M14 strut bolt:


                        10210013 weight upto 950kg – Front Axle 20-60-80 (20 N/mm) + 60-170 (60 N/mm) / Rear Axle 20-60-80 (20 N/mm) + 60-170 (60 N/mm)

                        10210014 weight from 951 to 1100kg – Front Axle 20-60-80 (20 N/mm) + 70-170 (70 N/mm) / Rear Axle 20-60-80 (20 N/mm) + 60-170 (60 N/mm)

                        Hope this helps

                        Yaz
                        1992 Audi 100 2.8 Quattro
                        1993 Audi Cab 2.3
                        1995 Audi URS6 Avant
                        1999 Audi S8 D2 FL
                        2005 Skoda Octavia Elegance Variant TDi
                        2012 VW CC BlueMotion Tech DSG

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                        • Error404
                          Super Moderator
                          • Mar 2007
                          • 19789
                          • Country: United Kingdom

                          #102


                          ok so for V1s up to 950kg fronts and rears are circa 350lb/in
                          for 950kg+ fronts are 400lb/in and rears are 350lb/in
                          Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                          Indigo ABY coupé
                          Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                          • Rusty
                            Super Moderator
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 18953
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #103
                            Swap the front and rear springs on the 950+ assuming they're the same length (indicated by the 170?)
                            Cheers'en, AndyC
                            1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                            • Yaz
                              S2Forum Addict
                              • May 2007
                              • 445
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #104
                              I'm glad you guys can make sense of this!
                              1992 Audi 100 2.8 Quattro
                              1993 Audi Cab 2.3
                              1995 Audi URS6 Avant
                              1999 Audi S8 D2 FL
                              2005 Skoda Octavia Elegance Variant TDi
                              2012 VW CC BlueMotion Tech DSG

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                              • Rusty
                                Super Moderator
                                • Jun 2004
                                • 18953
                                • Country: United Kingdom

                                #105
                                Years of being on here
                                Cheers'en, AndyC
                                1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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