KW Variant 1 Coilovers

[JP]

FAO RWD19T and Varsity regarding URS6, the price is £895.00 inc VAT for KW Variant 1 Inox Line. Unfortunately V3's aren't available. The next option offered by KW would be a '2 way competition' race setup which is about £2K!

Your front struts would have to be sent to KW Germany where they will be converted to accommodate the V1 setup. Here are some references by KW:

-Height adjustable on the front and rear axles (threaded strut housings)
-Not for vehicles with automatic self leveling control
-Original struts need to be sent in advance for modification
-Coilover kits where the strut housings are delivered on exchange basis are only available in galvanized finish
-The following parts must be used for front-wheel drive and four-wheel drive vehicles without standard sports suspension. (AUDI part nos.: adapter 441 512 347(left) 441 512 348(right) + support bearing 441 512 331 + ring 441 512 367 + curved washer 441 512

Please let me know if you have any questions.

Many thanks

Cheers not a bad price on both accounts. Will they allow us to convert the front shocks ourselves?

[Yaz]

Cheers not a bad price on both accounts. Will they allow us to convert the front shocks ourselves?

I'm afraid not... Looks like its the only way to get a decent set of coilovers though. I have the same problem with my A100 which is the same situation as yours... It's a bit out my price range unfortunately

[Error404]

Hi Error404, sorry I should have been a bit more clearer. After liaising with KW this morning regarding your query, we need to know the following:

1. Year and model of vehicle - (...coupe)
2. Does yours have M12 or M14 strut bolts
3. And what's the weight over the front axles.

Sorry it's a pain, but without this info I wouldn't be able to give you the correct data. There are at least 4 different part numbers just for an S2 coupe!

Many thanks

year and model is irrelevant as the my car didn't roll out the factory with the running gear its now fitted with, but say 1995 M for arguments sake.
M14 bolts.
Weight over front axle must be 900kg+

HTH

[Yaz]

year and model is irrelevant as the my car didn't roll out the factory with the running gear its now fitted with, but say 1995 M for arguments sake.
M14 bolts.
Weight over front axle must be 900kg+

HTH

Ok thanks for that, but most crucial part is the weight. Is it more or less than 950kg over front axle?

Many thanks

[Error404]

borderline! Bit under I would say. not by much mind you

[Rusty]

raymor weighed his Avant for sprinting purposes and the front axle was sub 900kg, so unless you've fitted AC, I'd say that it would be way less than 950kg

http://www.s2forum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=310541&postcount=18

There are 2 sets of springs on stock cars: cars with AC & cars without. There are also different strut insert diameters (later cars are 55mm IIRC, earlier were either 50 or 52mm). All of this might be part of KW's 4 part numbers - it might be worth clarifying with KW what the differences between the <950kg and >950kg and other setups are. Personally, softer springs up front are a better idea, as it'll help with the understeer a little and the CQ shell is going to be lighter than the later S2 coupe - better to sort the handling with springs than ARBs etc.

Ciaran's V3s had 400lb front, 360lb rear springs on it IIRC. He encountered issues with the rear being too low and had to have some parts modified to sort the rear toe out (they go toe in under load and toe out when raised up - this was a selling point on a 306 GTI6, so it must be good ) This might not be an issue if you go for a more HnR rideheight.

Coupe HnRs are of the order of 210lb, avant fronts are 236lb - this comes from Lloyd's sticky thread in the suspension section. HTH

[Yaz]

borderline! Bit under I would say. not by much mind you

Ok mate. I was just thinking about this, if you have a 6 speed box and a/c etc then yours probably will be the heavier option. Thing is that spring rates will be different between the two. I will ask the rates for both.

[Error404]

Ok mate. I was just thinking about this, if you have a 6 speed box and a/c etc then yours probably will be the heavier option. Thing is that spring rates will be different between the two. I will ask the rates for both.

no it will the the lighter option. but yes both rates will be useful, thanks.

[Yaz]

no it will the the lighter option. but yes both rates will be useful, thanks.

Ok ive just come off the phone to KW and they will contact their tech team regarding this. I will let you know soon mate

[Error404]

great. I think it will be useful info for anyone considering this upgrade

[Yaz]

no it will the the lighter option. but yes both rates will be useful, thanks.

Here are the spring rates for Audi S2 Coupe with M14 strut bolt:


10210013 weight upto 950kg – Front Axle 20-60-80 (20 N/mm) + 60-170 (60 N/mm) / Rear Axle 20-60-80 (20 N/mm) + 60-170 (60 N/mm)

10210014 weight from 951 to 1100kg – Front Axle 20-60-80 (20 N/mm) + 70-170 (70 N/mm) / Rear Axle 20-60-80 (20 N/mm) + 60-170 (60 N/mm)

Hope this helps

Yaz

[Error404]

ok so for V1s up to 950kg fronts and rears are circa 350lb/in
for 950kg+ fronts are 400lb/in and rears are 350lb/in

[Rusty]

Swap the front and rear springs on the 950+ assuming they're the same length (indicated by the 170?)

[Yaz]

I'm glad you guys can make sense of this!

[Rusty]

Years of being on here