Single Mass Flywheel Conversion

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  • AndersS2
    S2Forum Extremist
    • Sep 2005
    • 1364
    • Home: Norway

    #16
    Originally posted by Rusty
    Parts required:-[LIST][*]Replacement dowels (either new, turned-down originals or from a 3B) 2 different ones.

    Method:-[LIST][*]Remove the dowels from the engine and 'box.[*]Replace the dowels with the new shorter ones.

    ABY dowels left, 7A right:-


    Hope I've not missed anything, please post if I have.

    Originally posted by Mark Halligan
    Rob,

    Not sure if this is posted here or not, but when you fit the 3B flywheel and clutch to the ABY/ADU engine, as well as removing the spacer plate between the six speed box and engine, also remember to shorten (or replace with 3B items) the two dowels pressed into the back of the block which locate into the bell housing. These are a touch too long and the block doesn't mate up to the bell housing with the spacer removed without leaving a gap.

    Cheers m8

    Mark.
    Anyone got a picture of the dowels located on the block, and also how much I should take off in length between the ABY and 3B dowels? 10mm ?

    I don't have access to my engine as pr now, so I need it for preporation work.

    cheers,
    Anders - S2 Avant Clubsport - 8pots or die!

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    • Flat on my back
      S2Forum Fiend
      • Jan 2007
      • 2449
      • Country: United Kingdom

      #17
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      From my 7A block, hope it helps...
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      Carlos.

      On the look out for less bits for my s2 saloon project. Now supporting myself by shooting for my food. www.airgunforum.co.uk

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      • AndersS2
        S2Forum Extremist
        • Sep 2005
        • 1364
        • Home: Norway

        #18
        Originally posted by Flat on my back
        From my 7A block, hope it helps...
        Thanks Carlos,

        That helps out alot.

        Anders - S2 Avant Clubsport - 8pots or die!

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        • AndersS2
          S2Forum Extremist
          • Sep 2005
          • 1364
          • Home: Norway

          #19
          Originally posted by Flat on my back
          From my 7A block, hope it helps...
          Thanks Carlos,

          That helps out alot.

          Anders - S2 Avant Clubsport - 8pots or die!

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          • Greg_S
            Administrator
            • Jul 2003
            • 12430
            • Country: United Kingdom

            #20
            Is the needle spigot bearing and release bearing common between ABY and 3B?

            Which clutches are suitable for the 3B flywheel on ABY engine and 6 speed?
            Greg

            S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

            '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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            • K Simmonds
              S2Forum Zealot
              • Dec 2007
              • 7627
              • Country: Wales

              #21
              Pretty sure the you need the 3B versions of both bearings. I'd go for a Sachs uprated clutch, pricey but dependable.
              1990 B3 2.0 80 quattro.
              1992 C4 2.8 Avant quattro
              1994 MTM RS2.
              1998 B5 TDI quattro Sport.
              2000 B5 TQS.

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              • Greg_S
                Administrator
                • Jul 2003
                • 12430
                • Country: United Kingdom

                #22
                Yeah I was swaying towards that or the spec. want to make sure I order the correct spindle bearing for mine. I have P/N of 034 105 313A for Spigot bearing and 0B1 141 165 for Release bearing. Are these the correct P/N's for the 3B flywheel on there?
                Greg

                S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

                '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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                • Error404
                  Super Moderator
                  • Mar 2007
                  • 19789
                  • Country: United Kingdom

                  #23
                  make sure you get that flywheel refaced before you fit a new clutch
                  Panthero Coupé quattro 20vt
                  Indigo ABY coupé
                  Imola B6 S4 Avant

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                  • Rusty
                    Super Moderator
                    • Jun 2004
                    • 18953
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Greg_S
                    Is the needle spigot bearing and release bearing common between ABY and 3B?

                    Which clutches are suitable for the 3B flywheel on ABY engine and 6 speed?
                    Release bearing is common, spigot bearing is 3B to fit the different flywheel. Up to you whether you get a metal or plastic housing release bearing.

                    Clutch wise (as above) Sachs Race Engineering (?SRE) are the best but are £££, there are then southbend, spec 3+ and many others for less money, some of which have been covered on here with differing results.

                    A stock clutch is not suitable for your power level (unlike ABY/ADU item) and IME slips a little with continued abuse on 300bhp but is fine for road driving, if you're on a budget.

                    IMO, get the best you can afford... i.e. get a SRE.
                    Cheers'en, AndyC
                    1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                    • Greg_S
                      Administrator
                      • Jul 2003
                      • 12430
                      • Country: United Kingdom

                      #25
                      Yeah got a nice shine refaced clutch ready to go, just collecting all of the bits atm
                      Greg

                      S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

                      '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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                      • Rusty
                        Super Moderator
                        • Jun 2004
                        • 18953
                        • Country: United Kingdom

                        #26
                        Consider getting some offset subframe bushes to save stressing the gearbox mounts when you reassemble it. It will go but it's not ideal. As a side effect, you'll add a touch of caster to the equation too.
                        Cheers'en, AndyC
                        1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                        • djh
                          S2Forum Extremist
                          • Jun 2011
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                          • Home: United States Current: United Kingdom

                          #27
                          out of interest what do the dowels do and what happens if you simply don't fit them? two of my cars never had them and both 20vt's on 6 speeds.

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                          • Rusty
                            Super Moderator
                            • Jun 2004
                            • 18953
                            • Country: United Kingdom

                            #28
                            They align the gearbox to the crank case. You could leave them out but then there will be a little movement when you attach it all back together, thus the linkage and a few other things might not be exactly where they were before. They also help to hold the gearbox in place when you're aligning and tightening it all up.
                            Cheers'en, AndyC
                            1994 ABY Coupe - Projekt Alpinweiss

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                            • Greg_S
                              Administrator
                              • Jul 2003
                              • 12430
                              • Country: United Kingdom

                              #29
                              Originally posted by Rusty
                              Consider getting some offset subframe bushes to save stressing the gearbox mounts when you reassemble it. It will go but it's not ideal. As a side effect, you'll add a touch of caster to the equation too.
                              Bit of a shame, because I have not long replaced all of the subframe bushes only 7 months ago with poly's. Is it purely the metal insert that differs on those? Was wondering if the engine mounts would need some adjustment too, or weather there is enough movement in the slot on the mounting brackets
                              Greg

                              S2Forum.com Administrator & Webmaster

                              '93 Coupe with a few tweeks

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                              • blackS2
                                S2Forum Addict
                                • Apr 2010
                                • 455
                                • Country: Germany

                                #30
                                ABY gearbox needs ABY release bearing - not depending on flywheel







                                Last edited by blackS2; 23 September 2011, 14:51.
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