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  • gedu
    S2Forum Addict
    • Feb 2007
    • 295

    #16
    Yeah, quite so, of course, my temperatures were with stock k24 and it was brought quite to it's limits and therefore made quite hot air. With better turbo (that is more on map) you should be able to get something like 340hp yes.
    All quattro products have been dermatologically tested, and are safe for daily use.

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    • UrS4boy
      S2Forum Obsessed
      • Feb 2006
      • 11859
      • Country: Canada

      #17
      Originally posted by Prophet_dlx
      ....so to get it right in the end we will need to change the intercooler to get more than 340hp or so
      Just an observation: You came asking for advice and you are ignoring it. People are strongly suggesting an RS2 EM or Wagner RS2 EVO EM and you are ignoring them. People are suggesting that the GT2871 is a better turbo than what you were thinking and you are ignoring their advice.

      If you want 340 hp ("gain just a little bit of power, 100 to 150 hp" (over 230 DIN)) then you will need the EM and the recommended turbo (or the KKK K24 7200) or something larger, e.g. GT3071. I would also strongly suggest that you will want a FMIC instead of the stock one. There is a FMIC DIY at:



      Good luck. Hope you choose to take the advice.

      Oh, yeah, I doubt that you really need any ARP headbolts, etc. BUT you will definitely need remapping, e.g. MRC or Paul at Homefries, etc.
      RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
      94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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      • quattro20v
        S2Forum Enthusiast
        • Jul 2007
        • 173
        • Country: Finland

        #18
        There is a FMIC DIY at:

        http://www.audifans.net/modules.php?...4&hig hlight=
        That's a good DIY but expect even less room with Urs4 front bumper. I have started to fit my cooler (70mm) but i'm not sure if it will fit with aircon. You can move the radiator like 2cm back. Or bye a new front bumper, the RS4 look a like to gain more room.
        Now quattro less, my urs4 stolen 13.8

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        • UrS4boy
          S2Forum Obsessed
          • Feb 2006
          • 11859
          • Country: Canada

          #19
          Originally posted by quattro20v
          That's a good DIY but expect even less room with Urs4 front bumper. I have started to fit my cooler (70mm) but i'm not sure if it will fit with aircon. You can move the radiator like 2cm back. Or bye a new front bumper, the RS4 look a like to gain more room.
          That DIY was done on an UrS6 but there isn't much if any difference between the structure of the UrS4 and UrS6 bumpers other than the outward cosmetics (AFAIK).

          However, my direct experience is with North American bumpers which are structurally the same between UrS4 and UrS6. In our case, we can keep the Air Con condensor and have a thicker core (another 12 mm (1/2")) because the bumper sticks out, away from the body about 25 mm more that the Euro bumpers.
          RS2'd 93 UrS4 5 spd sedan
          94 UrS4 V8 6 spd manual avant

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          • Prophet_dlx
            S2Forum Addict
            • Nov 2007
            • 262
            • Country: Luxembourg

            #20
            No I didn't ignore anybodies advice, and I'm quite thankful for everything said here. the wagner EM is on the list and for the GT28rs if there is no big problem with it i would prefer it for the quick spool up and because i don't want to go for pure power. It has to be an good an "economical" daily driver.
            I'm really sorry i did not want to offend anybody
            Thanks guys
            RCN

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            • Prophet_dlx
              S2Forum Addict
              • Nov 2007
              • 262
              • Country: Luxembourg

              #21
              what is to expect from a GT28rs in HP an NM?
              and what from a GT2871?
              with wagner EM, new Intercooler and remapping done by a master in the art of electronics.... of course
              RCN

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              • gedu
                S2Forum Addict
                • Feb 2007
                • 295

                #22
                With both you can break your conrods, so torque is infact quite up to you, how close to 500Nm "border" do you want to go.

                With 2871 you can go say 1,5 bar from 3000 to 6500rpm, and get nice flat torque curve just under 500Nm and close or over 400hp.

                With disco-potato you can strech to 400hp border, but then you might need some headwork with rest of suggested pieces
                All quattro products have been dermatologically tested, and are safe for daily use.

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                • Prophet_dlx
                  S2Forum Addict
                  • Nov 2007
                  • 262
                  • Country: Luxembourg

                  #23
                  Do I have to use a compression dropping headgasket with one of those to comfortably reach let's say 350 hp and keep it working on the long run?
                  I updated/modified the list

                  -I'll keep disco-potato (034 kit) for the fast spool up

                  -wagner EM

                  -Fmic (hope to find an easier to fit solution)

                  -Headgasket?

                  -If we run less than 1.5 bar do i need the the modified vmap pressure sensor and an other WG spring

                  -RS2 injectors

                  -silicone hoses

                  -034 bypass valve

                  -and finally remapping
                  RCN

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                  • merlin's S4
                    S2Forum Extremist
                    • Jan 2005
                    • 1539
                    • Country: United Kingdom

                    #24
                    Originally posted by UrS4boy
                    That DIY was done on an UrS6 but there isn't much if any difference between the structure of the UrS4 and UrS6 bumpers other than the outward cosmetics (AFAIK).
                    There is in fact a big difference in the structure between the Euro S4 and S6 bumpers. The strengthening bar on the S4 is a large box section so there really is no room behind for an intercooler.
                    '93 S4 Avant now back on the road complete with new shiny go faster bits.

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                    • Prophet_dlx
                      S2Forum Addict
                      • Nov 2007
                      • 262
                      • Country: Luxembourg

                      #25
                      so won't be that easy.
                      is there any aftermarket bumper that could make the fmic problem a little bit easier?
                      RCN

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                      • Prophet_dlx
                        S2Forum Addict
                        • Nov 2007
                        • 262
                        • Country: Luxembourg

                        #26
                        Something else. Which Wagner EM is the more adapted? The casted or the tubular one?
                        RCN

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                        • quattro20v
                          S2Forum Enthusiast
                          • Jul 2007
                          • 173
                          • Country: Finland

                          #27
                          Something like this for bumper :
                          http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.d...MEWA:IT&ih=005
                          Now quattro less, my urs4 stolen 13.8

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                          • Bram
                            S2Forum Fiend
                            • Aug 2006
                            • 2582
                            • Country: Netherlands

                            #28
                            You do not need to lower the compression with this setup. Only if you really want to push above 2 bar Boost pressure. I am running a GT3071R with 2 bar and still on standard compression.

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                            • Prophet_dlx
                              S2Forum Addict
                              • Nov 2007
                              • 262
                              • Country: Luxembourg

                              #29
                              nice bumper thanks for that link
                              and normal metal gasket will do
                              good to hear.
                              and for the EM? the tubular one does not look like a bolt on solution but i might be wrong... http://www.wagner-tuning.de/produkte/abgasrs2rohr.php
                              RCN

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                              • Bram
                                S2Forum Fiend
                                • Aug 2006
                                • 2582
                                • Country: Netherlands

                                #30
                                You probably need to modify your downpipe, when going for a tubular EM

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